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[Pyrpolizer]

Who is the crypto-muslim? You or the Kurds in Armenia?

[cymart]

O.K. so there was a holocaust of Armenians and there have been many others more recently in Cambodia,Rwanda etc etc and also many others that we may not even know about yet but how does all discussion this help Cyprus??
It seems we can't 'see the wood for the trees' as so often happens here!

[EPSILON]

O.K. so there was a holocaust of Armenians and there have been many others more recently in Cambodia,Rwanda etc etc and also many others that we may not even know about yet but how does all discussion this help Cyprus??
It seems we can't 'see the wood for the trees' as so often happens here!

Is just helping Gcs to have a picture with whom they are trying to re-establish a partnership in the Island

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Who is the crypto-muslim? You or the Kurds in Armenia?

The Kurds and perhaps your mother. The reason for this is due to my Armenian brothers treatment by muslim Kurds in the past little boy. I for one am glad the USA is doing the right thing. Why would I be a Crypto- Musmlim Haiwan?? Do to the fact that I view Kurds and Turks as one and the same?? Or because I feel bad for someone different then myself?? You leave much to be desired for being a human being Homar.

[EPSILON]

These people have absolutely no clue what so ever, they are desperately in need to throw at us whatever they can get their hands on and it doesn't even matter anymore whether its true or not...

Yes we were in the World War allies of Germany, in fact 1 of the only 2 survivors from the time died recently and the other one is still alive over 100 years old. The Armenians were anything but armless, they were very systematically backed up by the Soviets and the French along with the Kurds to rebel against the Ottomans in order to bring down the empire and doing so massacred hundreds of Turkish villages without discrimination.

All this took place during a time where the Turks were trying to fight against an agreement that was going to leave us with fuck all and give the people like the Greeks, the British and the French everything they wanted, in fact the plan was to leave the Turks

with some land right in the center of the country while the surrounded land was being shared.

THIS was the situation Turkey was in at the time and Turkey had to fight for her independence as everyone does, and this is the situation that has to be examined very carefully and objectively before anyone is blamed for genocide, and THATS probably why no one is allowed to question the events!

Are your sources proving also that the unarmed women, the childs of 1-2-3 years old , the old Armenian men, all these people who had been killed by the Ottomans, were a threat for the empire?

Either you are living in a word of darkness or you try to prove that these people were fighting the Ottomans and herefore they were just victims of the battle.

Many were killede by Kurds the age old enemies of the Armenians.....Open the files sso numbers can be sorted out.......

On this I can partly agree but the control was under the Ottoman Empire which today is represented by the modern Turkey state.

[EPSILON]

Oh the Turks fought in World war? that's news to me.

I meant the Ottomans.

That's news to me too T_C.

Really....One minute you say they were killing everyone and then you are surprised........The world verses the Ottomans....I think I saw that film...

thank you Zanny for confirming us that exterminating armless Armenians in a GENOCIDE manner, was the only participation Turkey... erm woops the Ottomans had in World war.

I think it was the world that came to our door Pyro as in Gallipoli.

Gallipoli!!!perfect Turkish name!!!!! You may be mixed up the doors, there is an other one beyond Ankara, may be this was yours not the one in Kallipoli!!!!

Oh here we go again, everything is Greek so they must get it all back

This was not my point. My point was that the war against Ottomans was to free occupied areas and not to invate in a foreign territory

[zan]

These people have absolutely no clue what so ever, they are desperately in need to throw at us whatever they can get their hands on and it doesn't even matter anymore whether its true or not...

Yes we were in the World War allies of Germany, in fact 1 of the only 2 survivors from the time died recently and the other one is still alive over 100 years old. The Armenians were anything but armless, they were very systematically backed up by the Soviets and the French along with the Kurds to rebel against the Ottomans in order to bring down the empire and doing so massacred hundreds of Turkish villages without discrimination.

All this took place during a time where the Turks were trying to fight against an agreement that was going to leave us with fuck all and give the people like the Greeks, the British and the French everything they wanted, in fact the plan was to leave the Turks

with some land right in the center of the country while the surrounded land was being shared.

THIS was the situation Turkey was in at the time and Turkey had to fight for her independence as everyone does, and this is the situation that has to be examined very carefully and objectively before anyone is blamed for genocide, and THATS probably why no one is allowed to question the events!

Are your sources proving also that the unarmed women, the childs of 1-2-3 years old , the old Armenian men, all these people who had been killed by the Ottomans, were a threat for the empire?

Either you are living in a word of darkness or you try to prove that these people were fighting the Ottomans and herefore they were just victims of the battle.

Many were killede by Kurds the age old enemies of the Armenians.....Open the files sso numbers can be sorted out.......

On this I can partly agree but the control was under the Ottoman Empire which today is represented by the modern Turkey state.

WOW! What a conection.....Can I tell you something....I am not ashamed of Being Turkish or that I have links with the Ottomans. In fact I am proud of it, as you are, I am sure of your ancestors. All nations Killed. It was a sign of the times. What Turkey has now has no resemblance to the Ottomans and in fact was in direct contrast to them. think you neeed to look at the territory disputes that Greece has and how it deals with tthem and make a comparison.


As for the Kurds....Yes they were a regiment under the Ottomans and were given the task of escorting the Armenians out of the area...Yes I know that is cynical but I think we both know what that means. This does not excuse the Armenians killing thousands and thousands of Turks either. The only saving grace that any one of us has is that it was different times. An age that has no relevance to today.

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Zan if it has no relevance my good man, Turkey should not have laws forbidding discussions counter to there views.

[zan]

Zan if it has no relevance my good man, Turkey should not have laws forbidding discussions counter to there views.

Turkeys laws were put there to protect itself from falling apart as other powers wanted it to. Outside pressure and inside necessities. Same as the special terrorist laws that have been applied in the UK and the US. Turkey is stronger now and yes I think it is time to get rid of that law along with article 101. Turkey has very many important and distinguished Armenians, Kurds and gays at the forefront of society....Time to move on and I think they will when the time is right. Outside hostilities are not helping.

[cymart]

The point is that Cyprus, Turkey and Greece are not going to go away from where they are so they have to find a way to get along somehow!
All this nationalism,chauvinism and dragging-up the past is doing nobody any good.A good way for Turkey to win some international support would be to hand over the closed area of Varosha to the U.N. as an interim goodwll measure so the municipal and other authorities there can at least start clearing up the mess and surveying the damage so plans for the future reconstruction etc. can be based on reality, rather than wild guess work as they have been since 1974!But I know the military generals in Ankara would never consent to such an idea unless they are sure the Greek-Cypriots accept their overall plans for a final settlement!