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[iceman]

Our positions in Girne and a few other strongholds were attacked before Turkey arrived so what were they using....Blanks......Lets get this whole thing into perspective and then we might actually move on. The myth that we were attacked only after Turkey landed is just that, a Myth. If it were true then Turkey would have had no casualties on landing.

Zan
I hate to be the one to correct you but your facts about TC's being attacked before Turkish army landed is completely wrong...
The truth is,TC forces in towns,villages were on military alert form the day the coup started (15th July) but no gunfire was exchanged until the morning of 20th July when Turkish troops started landing..
The TC's learned the news from the announcement Denktas made on Bayrak radio..his exact words were "Turk silahli kuvvetleri adanin her yanindan havadan ve karadan cikartma harekatina baslamistir...gazaniz mubarek olsun"
(Turkish armed forces have started landing all over the island)
Some even say the first fire started by trigger happy TC's after hearing Denktas saying Turkish Armed forces were landing ALL over the island...
Anyway the fight did not last longer than 3-4 hours in most places because TC forces were overpowered..(and Turkish army did not arrive as Denktas announced)

[zan]

Our positions in Girne and a few other strongholds were attacked before Turkey arrived so what were they using....Blanks......Lets get this whole thing into perspective and then we might actually move on. The myth that we were attacked only after Turkey landed is just that, a Myth. If it were true then Turkey would have had no casualties on landing.

Zan
I hate to be the one to correct you but your facts about TC's being attacked before Turkish army landed is completely wrong...
The truth is,TC forces in towns,villages were on military alert form the day the coup started (15th July) but no gunfire was exchanged until the morning of 20th July when Turkish troops started landing..
The TC's learned the news from the announcement Denktas made on Bayrak radio..his exact words were "Turk silahli kuvvetleri adanin her yanindan havadan ve karadan cikartma harekatina baslamistir...gazaniz mubarek olsun"
(Turkish armed forces have started landing all over the island)
Some even say the first fire started by trigger happy TC's after hearing Denktas saying Turkish Armed forces were landing ALL over the island...
Anyway the fight did not last longer than 3-4 hours in most places because TC forces were overpowered..(and Turkish army did not arrive as Denktas announced)

Iceman

I am always ready to be corrected on these issues from fellow Tcs and I thank you but where does your version of events fit in with this sites version....

http://www.hellas.org/cyprus/timeline.htm

[iceman]

Zan
I couldn't see anything about any fight before 20th....please point it if i have missed..

[Pyrpolizer]

I dont know your ages Zan dn Shah, but I was 24 in 1974. In the summer of 1973 I was in Cyprus and moved around freely, along with all people of the island but only in the Greek areas and very few Turkish villages. Most Turkish areas were out of bounds. This nonsense about people being confined to 3 per cent of the island does not convince.

A friend who owned land in Kontea village employed people from Kouklia, and they went back and forth every day freely. The hotel I stayed at in Famagusta employed Turkish people who came from the old city on foot everyday, but we could not go into old Famagusta. All over Nicosia I saw Turkish Cypriots working and walking about. The situation after 1968 was pretty much fixed- no Greeks in Turkish Cypriot areas freedom of movement and employment for Turkish Cypriots over most of the island. This is not to say that there were no hardship for the Turkish Cypriots, but it is a far cry from this starvation picture.

The picture is not only one of repression by the Greek side, there is also the obsession with exclusion that was imposed from within. Remember that slogan "from Turk to Turk" and the beatings and shootings of Turkish Cypriots by the TMT if they broke the rule? Let us have some balance here!

Same goes with the genocide allegations. Both sides killed, and both sides killed unarmed civilians. Laying the blame on the other exclusively is total nonsense. We all know the dudes who went in for shit like that, the people we call "Fighters" "heroes" "martyrs" and a host of other euphemisms and no one dares use the word killers.

Having lived in Nicosia through 1958 I will not fall for the crap that the Turkish Cypriot side was the totally innocent side that fell victim to the Enosis obsessed Greeks. There were plenty of maniacs on the Turkish Cypriot side, I saw them come to our neighborhood while we were curfewed to burn stores and workshops. I am willing to bet those people later achieved high status in the community just as our sides thugs did.

Very well said Nikitas. That was EXACTLY the situation. The TCs simply REFUSE to accept the truth that they themselves were having their own Enosis struggle and were willingly subjected to hardships imposed by their own rulers for the sake of forming a strong hold in enclaves preparing themselves for the day the Turkish ships and planes would come.

There were fanatic Tcs everywhere, they used to watch Gcs approaching their areas with so much hate, a GC could even sense his death coming if he stepped any closer. Yes they wouldn't dare attack the Gcs openly they were just waiting to catch someone and kill him, what's the difference?

They all think they were just attacked because they were a burden to our Enosis. Now dare ask them what your own "fighters" were doing, they will all tell you nothing, they were pigeons, they were just defending us.

[Get Real!]

Zan
I couldn't see anything about any fight before 20th....please point it if i have missed..

You think that had he found anything he wouldn't have quoted it? The sharmutta is wasting your time, as per usual hoping you'll get lost in all that info and give up! What a strategist!

[zan]

Zan
I couldn't see anything about any fight before 20th....please point it if i have missed..

You think that had he found anything he wouldn't have quoted it? The sharmutta is wasting your time, as per usual hoping you'll get lost in all that info and give up! What a strategist!

Still smarting are we GR Looks like I might have hit the nail on the head and driven it straight into a nerve with the strategist thing


Anyway

@ iceman

Thank you for raising the point and pointing out my mistake but I am still looking for the article I read in which the attacks were detailed and will let you know when and if I can find them.

I would like to know what your thoughts on the whole thing are though. Do you think that because of this one point that I might have misinterpreted, Turkey should not have come.?




The 1974 developments and the Ifestos Plan:

On July 10, 1974, the final stage of the Akritas Plans was initiated, when a coup organized by EOKA under the leadership of Sampson. The coup was ordered by the junta leader in Athens, Colonel Dimitrios Ionnides, who, together with the second-generation colonels of the junta, was disenchanted with Makarios. The coup's aim was the annexation of the island to Greece alone and the extermination of the Turkish Cypriots.

In compliance with the scheme, on March 7, 1974, another plan was prepared by the Greek National Guard, as a continuation of the Akritas Plan -- the Ifestos Plan.

Here follow extracts from Harry Scott Gibbons' ?The Genocide Files? (Charles Bravos Pub., 1997):

-- Under the leadership of the Greek National Guard, all male Greek Cypriots were expected to participate in the ethnic purge in the designated Turkish villages. The Greeks would kill, the Turks would be killed. The main idea was that simple.

-- Accordingly, Haralambos Hios, the commander of the National Guard, gave the order encompassing the names the Turkish villages to be purged to the 256th and 276th Infantry Troops; the 222nd , 261st, 306th ,316th, 321st, 366th and 391st Reserve Battalions; 183rd Artillery Battalion; 173rd and 190th Antitank Battalions and 47th Battle Group.

-- It was written in the plan that the orders would be executed on the approval of the Greek Cypriot Guards, Cyprus Government and the Cyprus Command of the Greek Troops.

-- The plan provided a detailed explication of how the Turkish Cypriots of Lefke, Akdeniz, Gaziveren, Do?anc? and Ta?p?nar, which had in fact belonged to the Turks for 400 years, would be exterminated through furtive attacks at night. According to the plan, there would first be a total black out. Then the Second Troop of the 356th Battalion would attack Cengizköy near Lefke. Subsequently, the 391st Reserve Battalion would destroy Ba?l?köy. And, Lefke, Elenköy and Ye?il?rmak would be purged with the support of the artillery. Meanwhile, the 261st Troop would seize Kurutepe.

-- The mission of the 251st Infantry Brigade was to target the Turks of Girne (Kyrenia), then, to start the genocide with an attack on Zeytinlik. The goal was to capture this strategic harbor.

-- Subsequently, the Greek National Guard, the Greek Police Force, and the civilian Greeks would take action and capture the intercommunication network vital for the Turks between Kyrenia and Nicosia.

-- The executors of this treacherous plan, who did not wish to take any chances, alarmed also the Second and Third Detachments under the Tactical Group Command. They would be responsible for the power and water cut in the prescribed areas. They would be in charge of the Greeks in disguise of the U.N. soldiers and the supply of the U.N. vehicles. (In 1964, when the U.N. forces arrived at the island, EOKA had already started to produce fake UN equipments.

-- The burial places of the Turks to be killed had already been designated.

[Nikitas]

GR

Sharmutta!!! That is the name of my boat! Kallima arabieh?

[zan]

What does it mean anyway

[Nikitas]

Zan

Scott Gibbons is talking through his ass. The coup started on July 15 1974 not 10 and the chief of the national gurad was Brigadier Georgitsis not Hios. None of the units mentioned by Gibbons moved anywhere near the areas he refers and there is no such thing as an Ifestos plan. The man is a liar. If you are going to quote do so from worthwhile sources.

[zan]

Zan

Scott Gibbons is talking through his ass. The coup started on July 15 1974 not 10 and the chief of the national gurad was Brigadier Georgitsis not Hios. None of the units mentioned by Gibbons moved anywhere near the areas he refers and there is no such thing as an Ifestos plan. The man is a liar. If you are going to quote do so from worthwhile sources.

He says the final part of the Akritas plan was initiated and not the start of the coup....That is that way I read it but I can see what you are saying.....And I understand your reaction to Mr Gibbons.