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[zan]

Bloody heck....It's the planet of tthe Apes all over again....Is that why Bush walks the way he does....

[phoenix]

Monkeys could have done a better job thats for sure!

Is that what you've discovered since Turkey has been running you?

I personally do not think that the ones who are running Turkey are any better to be honest...

Whhaatt? Fire away . . . why?

[phoenix]

Bloody heck....It's the planet of tthe Apes all over again....Is that why Bush walks the way he does....

Why did the monkey fall out of the tree? . . . Because he was dead.

Why did the second monkey fall out of the tree?. . . Because he was tied to the first monkey.

Why did the third monkey fall out of the tree? . . . Peer pressure.

Why did the squirrel fall out of the tree?. . He was doing a monkey impression.

[Nikitas]

Shah wrote:

"I believe the mass graves contained not only men, but women children and old men too, so it wasn't just a case of eliminating the number of potential fighters, rather a total eradication of the population at that location due to their ethnicity.

This is what genocide is! "

So we can say that the TUrkish Cypriot gunmen who carried out the Afania massacre were committing genocide of Greek Cypriots? Same for Omorphita in 1958?

After the fall of Famagusta, the Turkish army turned north, into Karpasia, where there were no military personnel. They killed great numbers of Greek Cypriot civilians in Karpasia- read the Sunday Times of September 1974, a report titled "Something Terrible Happened Here" complete with photographs of Greek Cypriot civilians killed and left where they fell. When a NATO style organized army does that, is that evidence of genocide? The Cypriot irregulars of both sides can be said to have acted in an organized ad hoc manner, but the army? Where there orders to do it? Any soldier tried for killing civilians in Karpasia? Any officer lose his command?

"And no one really knows where they would have stopped if Turkey had not intervened..." Can you name one single Turkish Cypriot casualty before the start of the invasion in 1974? I searched and found none. This assertion is an outright lie. The intercommunal clashes started only after the invasion began. For the most part it was limited to temporary hostage taking. In some instances like Afania, Maratha and Tochni it turned into massacres of civilians. Both communities were involved. As for the 1600 missing read Dentash's explanation to see cynicism at its best!

[zan]

Shah wrote:

"I believe the mass graves contained not only men, but women children and old men too, so it wasn't just a case of eliminating the number of potential fighters, rather a total eradication of the population at that location due to their ethnicity.

This is what genocide is! "

So we can say that the TUrkish Cypriot gunmen who carried out the Afania massacre were committing genocide of Greek Cypriots? Same for Omorphita in 1958?

After the fall of Famagusta, the Turkish army turned north, into Karpasia, where there were no military personnel. They killed great numbers of Greek Cypriot civilians in Karpasia- read the Sunday Times of September 1974, a report titled "Something Terrible Happened Here" complete with photographs of Greek Cypriot civilians killed and left where they fell. When a NATO style organized army does that, is that evidence of genocide? The Cypriot irregulars of both sides can be said to have acted in an organized ad hoc manner, but the army? Where there orders to do it? Any soldier tried for killing civilians in Karpasia? Any officer lose his command?

"And no one really knows where they would have stopped if Turkey had not intervened..." Can you name one single Turkish Cypriot casualty before the start of the invasion in 1974? I searched and found none. This assertion is an outright lie. The intercommunal clashes started only after the invasion began. For the most part it was limited to temporary hostage taking. In some instances like Afania, Maratha and Tochni it turned into massacres of civilians. Both communities were involved. As for the 1600 missing read Dentash's explanation to see cynicism at its best!

The two sides were in completely different situations. We were confined to 3% of our own country and basically left to rot. Unemployed and poor. You guys had the run of the country in all aspects. We were the forgotten people. We were surrounded by hostile forces that had double crossed us before. Then the killing started as the coupists made their move...Cypriots were being killed and we thought we would be next when the GCs secured the island and once again stopped Turkey from intervening. Our positions in Girne and a few other strongholds were attacked before Turkey arrived so what were they using....Blanks......Lets get this whole thing into perspective and then we might actually move on. The myth that we were attacked only after Turkey landed is just that, a Myth. If it were true then Turkey would have had no casualties on landing.

[shahmaran]

Shah wrote:

"I believe the mass graves contained not only men, but women children and old men too, so it wasn't just a case of eliminating the number of potential fighters, rather a total eradication of the population at that location due to their ethnicity.

This is what genocide is! "

So we can say that the TUrkish Cypriot gunmen who carried out the Afania massacre were committing genocide of Greek Cypriots? Same for Omorphita in 1958?

After the fall of Famagusta, the Turkish army turned north, into Karpasia, where there were no military personnel. They killed great numbers of Greek Cypriot civilians in Karpasia- read the Sunday Times of September 1974, a report titled "Something Terrible Happened Here" complete with photographs of Greek Cypriot civilians killed and left where they fell. When a NATO style organized army does that, is that evidence of genocide? The Cypriot irregulars of both sides can be said to have acted in an organized ad hoc manner, but the army? Where there orders to do it? Any soldier tried for killing civilians in Karpasia? Any officer lose his command?

"And no one really knows where they would have stopped if Turkey had not intervened..." Can you name one single Turkish Cypriot casualty before the start of the invasion in 1974? I searched and found none. This assertion is an outright lie. The intercommunal clashes started only after the invasion began. For the most part it was limited to temporary hostage taking. In some instances like Afania, Maratha and Tochni it turned into massacres of civilians. Both communities were involved. As for the 1600 missing read Dentash's explanation to see cynicism at its best!

LOL! Our driver is still missing, no one knows what happen to him, obviously he was murdered while transporting goods across the island and i tell you my friend this was not in 1974!

If you want solid facts and proofs i suggest you don't rely on the Internet THAT much, because Goggle is not going to tell you what it was like before 1974

[Nikitas]

I dont know your ages Zan dn Shah, but I was 24 in 1974. In the summer of 1973 I was in Cyprus and moved around freely, along with all people of the island but only in the Greek areas and very few Turkish villages. Most Turkish areas were out of bounds. This nonsense about people being confined to 3 per cent of the island does not convince.

A friend who owned land in Kontea village employed people from Kouklia, and they went back and forth every day freely. The hotel I stayed at in Famagusta employed Turkish people who came from the old city on foot everyday, but we could not go into old Famagusta. All over Nicosia I saw Turkish Cypriots working and walking about. The situation after 1968 was pretty much fixed- no Greeks in Turkish Cypriot areas freedom of movement and employment for Turkish Cypriots over most of the island. This is not to say that there were no hardship for the Turkish Cypriots, but it is a far cry from this starvation picture.

The picture is not only one of repression by the Greek side, there is also the obsession with exclusion that was imposed from within. Remember that slogan "from Turk to Turk" and the beatings and shootings of Turkish Cypriots by the TMT if they broke the rule? Let us have some balance here!

Same goes with the genocide allegations. Both sides killed, and both sides killed unarmed civilians. Laying the blame on the other exclusively is total nonsense. We all know the dudes who went in for shit like that, the people we call "Fighters" "heroes" "martyrs" and a host of other euphemisms and no one dares use the word killers.

Having lived in Nicosia through 1958 I will not fall for the crap that the Turkish Cypriot side was the totally innocent side that fell victim to the Enosis obsessed Greeks. There were plenty of maniacs on the Turkish Cypriot side, I saw them come to our neighborhood while we were curfewed to burn stores and workshops. I am willing to bet those people later achieved high status in the community just as our sides thugs did.

[Get Real!]

The two sides were in completely different situations. We were confined to 3% of our own country and basically left to rot. Unemployed and poor. You guys had the run of the country in all aspects. We were the forgotten people. We were surrounded by hostile forces that had double crossed us before. Then the killing started as the coupists made their move...Cypriots were being killed and we thought we would be next when the GCs secured the island and once again stopped Turkey from intervening. Our positions in Girne and a few other strongholds were attacked before Turkey arrived so what were they using....Blanks......Lets get this whole thing into perspective and then we might actually move on. The myth that we were attacked only after Turkey landed is just that, a Myth. If it were true then Turkey would have had no casualties on landing.

Utter garbage! I've made red all that is untrue. I'm not going to waste an hour supplying you with maps and all evidence required because it would not be the first time and you're too stupid to read anyway and you'll come up with this fabricated version of events time and time again regardless.

Do yourself and your community a BIG favor and just get off the airways.

[zan]

The two sides were in completely different situations. We were confined to 3% of our own country and basically left to rot. Unemployed and poor. You guys had the run of the country in all aspects. We were the forgotten people. We were surrounded by hostile forces that had double crossed us before. Then the killing started as the coupists made their move...Cypriots were being killed and we thought we would be next when the GCs secured the island and once again stopped Turkey from intervening. Our positions in Girne and a few other strongholds were attacked before Turkey arrived so what were they using....Blanks......Lets get this whole thing into perspective and then we might actually move on. The myth that we were attacked only after Turkey landed is just that, a Myth. If it were true then Turkey would have had no casualties on landing.

Utter garbage! I've made red all that is untrue. I'm not going to waste an hour supplying you with maps and all evidence required because it would not be the first time and you're too stupid to read anyway and you'll come up with this fabricated version of events time and time again regardless.

Do yourself and your community a BIG favor and just get off the airways.

So all the time that you asked us to join and fight the coupist....What time of day was that then GR The president at the time said..."We have confined the Tcs to 3% of the island, why should we negotiate with them"....Who was that man???

[growuptcs]

Zan, you gotta learn to let go of your sedistic ways of spreading your message. Reminding everyone about the past is pure nonsense today, October12,2007. Maybe you see the end of the road to your given fortune in the North, because there is no other excuse for you to still go on this way. Honestly, your transparent at this point.