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[shahmaran]

Sinve you are all busy talking massacres I will add my little bit.

In July 1974, simultaneously, at opposite ends of the old Nicosia-Famagusta road two massacres were taking place. One was in the villages of Tochni, Jiaos and Maratha, carried out by Greek Cypriots who collected the men of the villages and executed them in cold blood. At the other end, in Afania, Turkish Cypriot gunmen were doing the exact same thing to Greek Cypriot civilians. The peace operation had been going on for several days. No one prevented the massacre of Afania.

Want to go to earlier times? In 1958 there was a massacre in Omorphita in which dozens of Greek Cypriots were hacked to death. It is no accident that in 1963 the first big hit was on Omorphita. I am sure the people who fought each other in 1963 knew each other by name because they were the same type of person.

These were events that happen in every civil war. But in our case each side thinks that its losses are unique in the world. THey are not. The "peace operation" though is something totally different. The uncalled for violence and the fact that not one Greek Cypriot participating in massacres was arrested and brought to trial shows that it was not a peace operation. It was out and out conquest of a piece of CYprus and the later developments of colonizaton and militarization prove it.

I believe the mass graves contained not only men, but women children and old men too, so it wasn't just a case of eliminating the number of potential fighters, rather a total eradication of the population at that location due to their ethnicity.

This is what genocide is!

And no one really knows where they would have stopped if Turkey had not intervened...

Shami, how many times must we point out casualty numbers for you to understand what REALLY happened and quit posting unfounded crap?

Minor Atrocities of the Twentieth Century
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatx.htm

1. Cyprus (1955-59)
o WPA3
 UK: 142
 Turkish Cypriots: 84
 Greek Cypriots: 278
o B&J: 100 UK + 500 Cypriots
o 11 Nov. 2000 Times [London]: 100 British soldiers
2. Cyprus (1963-67)
o B&J: 1,000
3. Cyprus (1974)
o Clodfelter: 4,500-6,000 Greeks mil/civ k + 2,000-3,000 missing/presumed d. + 300 Turkish mil. k. [= 6,800-9,300]
o Eckhardt: 3,000 civ. + 2,000 mil. = 5,000 (1975-85)
o B&J: 5,000 (1974-78 )
o John J. Mearsheimer (Aug. 1990 Atlantic Monthly): 1,500 to 5,000
o Singer:
 Turkey: 1000
 Cyprus: 500

What are you blind? READ AGAIN!

Where have i used a number?

[Get Real!]

I believe the mass graves contained not only men, but women children and old men too, so it wasn't just a case of eliminating the number of potential fighters, rather a total eradication of the population at that location due to their ethnicity.

This is what genocide is!

And no one really knows where they would have stopped if Turkey had not intervened...

Shami, how many times must we point out casualty numbers for you to understand what REALLY happened and quit posting unfounded crap?

Minor Atrocities of the Twentieth Century
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatx.htm

1. Cyprus (1955-59)
o WPA3
 UK: 142
 Turkish Cypriots: 84
 Greek Cypriots: 278
o B&J: 100 UK + 500 Cypriots
o 11 Nov. 2000 Times [London]: 100 British soldiers
2. Cyprus (1963-67)
o B&J: 1,000
3. Cyprus (1974)
o Clodfelter: 4,500-6,000 Greeks mil/civ k + 2,000-3,000 missing/presumed d. + 300 Turkish mil. k. [= 6,800-9,300]
o Eckhardt: 3,000 civ. + 2,000 mil. = 5,000 (1975-85)
o B&J: 5,000 (1974-78 )
o John J. Mearsheimer (Aug. 1990 Atlantic Monthly): 1,500 to 5,000
o Singer:
 Turkey: 1000
 Cyprus: 500

What are you blind? READ AGAIN!

Where have i used a number?

Did you not use the word GENOCIDE? Do you know what that word means? It means the systematic extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group. Akin to "holocaust"!

So aren't you using words a little too loose given that everyone else in the world agrees that it was an INTERCOMMUNAL FIGHT in which each side lost about 500 people?

[shahmaran]

It could have well turned in to one, just because they did not succeed does not mean they did not try, i mean they had totally butchered 3 villages already, newly dug grave holes were found besides many villages afterwards including my own, who is to say they were not going to go for the 4th or th 5th and so forth? can you say? I really doubt it!

This goes way beyond INTER COMMUNAL FIGHT!

[Get Real!]

It could have well turned in to one, just because they did not succeed does not mean they did not try, i mean they had totally butchered 3 villages already, newly dug grave holes were found besides many villages afterwards including my own, who is to say they were not going to go for the 4th or th 5th and so forth? can you say? I really doubt it!

This goes way beyond INTER COMMUNAL FIGHT!

Hey IDIOT!

What is the point of bringing up 3 or 4 villages when I've already given you THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CASUALTIES!

[shahmaran]

Oh getting annoyed are we? Well try reading it again but take your time this time

The numbers do not matter because i am not arguing anything towards or against them, they are simply irrelevant for my current argument, i mean how thick can you possibly be? The point here is about the nature of the action which was very rightfully interrupted so we do not know what it COULD HAVE perpetuated into if it had not been interrupted!

You catching my drift here sunshine?

[free_cyprus]

Journal Social Psychology 2006 Aug;146(4):405-21.Links
Greek Cypriot attitudes toward Turkish Cypriots and Turkish immigrants.Danielidou L, Horvath P.
Psychology Department, Acadia University Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada.

The authors examined the attitudes of 106 Greek Cypriots toward Turkish Cypriots and Turkish immigrants on Cyprus. The authors examined Greek Cypriot attitudes, willingness to cohabit with Turkish Cypriots and Turkish immigrants, and the reasons behind their attitudes in terms of their social-identity perceptions, victimization experiences, and human-rights concerns. A series of repeated measures analyses of variance showed that Greek Cypriots were more willing to cohabit with and had less negative attitudes toward Turkish Cypriots than they were with and toward Turkish immigrants. Women felt more victimized by Turkish Cypriots and Turkish immigrants than did men. Perceived differences in social identity predicted unwillingness to cohabit with Turkish Cypriots. Feelings of victimization predicted negative attitudes toward Turkish Cypriots. Differences in social identity and victimization experiences predicted unwillingness to cohabit with Turkish immigrants. Differences in social identity predicted negative attitudes toward Turkish immigrants. The authors discussed the findings in terms of support for realistic group conflict theories of attitudes and their implications for the coexistence of these ethnic groups in Cyprus and of other ethnic groups in multicultural societies.

They are on to us . . .

and did these so called psychologist ever asked a question that we might be the same people of cyprus but onlything that is difrent is language we speak and religion people fallow, and did any of those psychologist as they like to call themselves point out the fact that we are cypriots and we have been ruled invaded raped for over 3000 years and its impossible for us to come out off all that as pure turks and greeks that most of the morans believe themsleves to be

and they are supposed to be psychologist

free_ cyprus, they are highly respected Psychologists. These are some of the factors they addressed for their study, (for the sake of brevity shortened extracts from the above source):

Victimization

Victimization as an explanation of negative attitudes between the two
groups is based on our assumption that the 1974 conflict led to the development of Greek Cypriots’ hostility toward Turks and Turkish Cypriots. Researchers could argue that the war of 1974 and its aftermath led to Greek Cypriot defensive aggression and consequently hostile attitudes toward Turkish Cypriots and Turkish immigrants.

Refugees

Becoming a refugee because of war can also exacerbate a person’s experiences of victimization. Recent Greek Cypriot refugees could have formed negative attitudes toward Turkish Cypriots and Turkish immigrants because the war forced the Greek Cypriots out of their hometowns and properties. Although Turkish Cypriots were not the invaders in the war, they moved into Greek Cypriot properties within Cyprus after the war.

Anger in posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD)

. . could also be the generator of the Greek Cypriot hostility toward Turkish Cypriots and Turkish immigrants.

Human Rights

Greek Cypriots’ attitudes toward Turkish Cypriots and Turkish immigrants
may also have developed as a response to perceived violations of Greek Cypriot human rights. Greek Cypriots perceived their human rights as being violated during the 1974 war and have continued to perceive them as being violated to the present day. Turkey denies Greek Cypriots the right to return to their homes in northern Cyprus. Greek Cypriot refugees have lost their rights to freedom of movement and to ownership of their property in their former residences. Turkey has offered them no compensation for the interference with those rights.

Turkey committed 14 violations of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Indeed, before the war in 1974, in some villages in Cyprus, the two ethnic groups had friendly, even intimate relations with each other, although intermarriages were rare. The war in 1974 forced the two cultures that had previously intermingled to separate.

It is reasonable to assume that Greek Cypriots would develop negative attitudes against the perceived violators of their rights.

CYPRIOTS ARE THEIR WORSE ENEMY THEY SOLD US OUT YEARS AGO IN THE FIFTIES WHEN THEY BECAME AGENTS OF GREECE AND TURKEY AND NOW AS A REWARD THEY ARE RUNNING CYPRUS, SPREADING HATE DEVIDE AND RULE AT HOME AND ABROAD

[phoenix]

CYPRIOTS ARE THEIR WORSE ENEMY THEY SOLD US OUT YEARS AGO IN THE FIFTIES WHEN THEY BECAME AGENTS OF GREECE AND TURKEY AND NOW AS A REWARD THEY ARE RUNNING CYPRUS, SPREADING HATE DEVIDE AND RULE AT HOME AND ABROAD

So who do you exactly propose should be running Cyprus?

[shahmaran]

Monkeys could have done a better job thats for sure!

[phoenix]

Monkeys could have done a better job thats for sure!

Is that what you've discovered since Turkey has been running you?

[shahmaran]

Monkeys could have done a better job thats for sure!

Is that what you've discovered since Turkey has been running you?

I personally do not think that the ones who are running Turkey are any better to be honest...