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[shahmaran]

It is utter bollocks!! i am sorry to say but i have never felt true racism at first hand until i met Greek Cypriots, everyone i met seems to be fueled by revenge and was seriously delusional about being the greatest race of all times and some other nonsense full of complexes

[shahmaran]

The Greek history book was withdrawn because of one, just one, gross inaccuracy of an event that happened in living memory- the destruction of Smyrni that is described as "congestion at the port" while the accompanying photo shows the town in flames.

When I was taught history, in primary school, we were taught that after the siege of Tripolis during the war of independence the Greek fighters committed atrocities and looting, which they also did on a minor scale in the siege of Corinthos and other towns of the Peloponnese. Is there any similar lesson about Chios, Kasos and Psara in Turkish schools I wonder.

Sure there is, whatever tickles your fancy...

[Nikitas]

Well Shah,

DO tell us how the Turkish history books describe the "operations" at Psara and Kasos. I would love to know!

[shahmaran]

To be honest dear Nikitas, i have no clue what any of these Greek names mean so if you want answers you are going to have to save me from the trouble of finding them out...

So what you are defending is that the Greeks wanted to teach their subhuman crimes as "congestions" to their kids?

[phoenix]

Ricco will love these findings...

Yes he would like to take these at face value to add to his collective reasons for partition.

However the reasons for the cautious attitude towards the TCs and Turks is what concerns the psychologists because they have a huge pool of 200,000 refugees who have been victimised and need answers. The rest of the Cypriot population has been victimised and traumatised by the invasion of 1974 also. . . and again this is what concerns the psychologists.

[Nikitas]

What congestion meant is that the slaughter of Greek civilians in Smyrni is described as congestion to avoid offending Turkish sensitivities. Several thousand Greek civilians were slaughtered there and many survivors are still living today, in an Athens suburb named Nea Smyrni. These people were pissed at their tragedy being termed congestion.

The names i mentioned, Psara and Kasos are small islands that the Turkish navy depopulated by wiping out all inhabitants during the war of independence.

So Greek history lessons mention Greek misdeeds like Tripolis. What do Turkish books and lessons say?

[shahmaran]

misdeeds? you cant be serious!

i will have to get back to you on this

[phoenix]

The paper starts witha bollocks premise. There is a vast qualitative difference between cohabiting with Turkish Cypriots who are part of the Cyprus population and being asked to do the same with Turkish "immigrants" which presumably means settlers. Have they asked Cypriots from both communities how they feel about settlers? Are those results different from the Greeks only results?

Have these schmucks asked the same questions of Native Canadians in Canada? Another scientiific joke paper!

Nikitas here is an abridged version of some of the relevant points you are concerned about:

The present findings support our hypotheses mostly. Greek Cypriots appeared willing to cohabit with Turkish Cypriots and did not have strong negative attitudes toward them. However, their sentiments toward Turkish immigrants were not the same. In terms of cultural, victimization, and human-rights issues, attributed negative qualities were stronger for Turkish immigrants.

The three reasons behind attitudes tended to be related. Perceived cultural
differences were linked to perceived victimization experiences and human-rights violations for both target groups.

In contrast, for example, various ethnic groups in Canada tend to see themselves as Canadians first and value their multiculturalism and integration.

However, Greek Cypriots seemed to differentiate a great deal between Turkish Cypriots and the Turks that immigrated to Cyprus after the war.

Greek Cypriots saw less differences between themselves and Turkish Cypriots and had more positive attitudes toward them.

Greek Cypriots considered Turkish Cypriots to be more equal members of the Republic of Cyprus than were the Turkish immigrants.

In the present sample, the surprisingly mild attitudes toward Turkish Cypriots do not support Volkan’s viewpoint.

With a possible solution to the Cyprus problem approaching through the reunification of the two halves of Cyprus, which are inhabited by the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot ethnic groups separately, the different attitudes of the Greek Cypriots to these two ethnic groups will matter a great deal in the potential resolution of the conflicts and should be considered.

....... it would also be useful for researchers to examine Turkish Cypriot attitudes toward Greek Cypriots and Turkish immigrants. Such research could offer further information about the future of cohabitation and also show the other side of the coin: the other group’s attitudes.

Greek Cypriots have a history of contact and coexistence with Turkish Cypriots and appear willing to put aside differences and cohabit with them.

The present findings showed that previous war and victimization experiences are not easily forgotten or discarded.

Highly abridged discussion from above source.

[Nikitas]

Thanks for the clarification, which still begs the question- are the Greek Cypriots attitudes towards settlers (who coined the term immigrant?) different from the attitudes of Turkish Cypriots? That would be telling!

[phoenix]

Thanks for the clarification, which still begs the question- are the Greek Cypriots attitudes towards settlers (who coined the term immigrant?) different from the attitudes of Turkish Cypriots? That would be telling!

Your answers are in the phrase I've lifted from the above quote listing answers to your previous concerns:

However, Greek Cypriots seemed to differentiate a great deal between Turkish Cypriots and the Turks that immigrated to Cyprus after the war.