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[humanist]

VP

If putting your point of view accross is winging then Im guilty, if you offer someone sweeties they will take them its nothing more than that, its human nature so dont read anything into it. On a one to one basis we are fine but ask them to share power and land then you will see those smiling faces become stern and stubborn to the core.

Tell us more about your visit to the north Im very intersting to hear if your opinions have chnaged at 1% about TCs and the TRNC?

VP I was kidding, I am sure you know. Take no note of me on that post mate just being jovial. My opinions on Cypriots of a Turkish speaking background have not changed even half a percent as I never had any ill feelings. Please read my other post. What is this thing your refer too as trnc? I visited a part of my country Cyprus, that for some crazy reason was fenced off for most of my life. Great to see the wall come down and I hope that Mr Talat tells the Turkish army to take a step back from Ledra Street to open the bloomin gate because am tired of the bloody long walk around.

[Nikitas]

Zan and VP

I note that the issue of settlers is obviously absent from your posts. Yet people like Levent and Akinci refer to it often and call it a problem. From personal experience I know that Turkish Cypriots do not want to have much to do with settlers. In my grandfather's village they demolished half the houses so as not to leave any to be filled by settlers. If you dont want them, how can the rest of Cypriots be expected to deal with these people!

What was the point in bringing them in the first place? Other than to deny the right of property restitution to the Greek Cypriots I dont see any other. And rightly people rejcted a plan that gave these people rights over the indigenous Cypriots of both communities. I can understand you standing up for Turkish Cypriot demands, even if I consider them unreasonable, but for the rights of settlers no. And that is not a Greek Cypriot thing, others here seem to share that view.

[zan]

Zan and VP

I note that the issue of settlers is obviously absent from your posts. Yet people like Levent and Akinci refer to it often and call it a problem. From personal experience I know that Turkish Cypriots do not want to have much to do with settlers. In my grandfather's village they demolished half the houses so as not to leave any to be filled by settlers. If you dont want them, how can the rest of Cypriots be expected to deal with these people!

What was the point in bringing them in the first place? Other than to deny the right of property restitution to the Greek Cypriots I dont see any other. And rightly people rejcted a plan that gave these people rights over the indigenous Cypriots of both communities. I can understand you standing up for Turkish Cypriot demands, even if I consider them unreasonable, but for the rights of settlers no. And that is not a Greek Cypriot thing, others here seem to share that view.

I don't want to be the one that uses the settlers as pawns any more Nikitas...They are just victims of circumstance and my views on that I have stated several times.......Greece and the "RoC" tried to get rid of the Turkish Cypriot population and Turkey used Turks to counter that....That is not news.....The thought of me being responsible for the deportation of families that have made Cyprus their home, through just trying to better themselves, just disgusts me. We have created a massive problem, and that is a big WE, and we have to deal with it....That is my idea on them and the Cyprob......The "RoC" was responsible for me leaving my island and just as responsible for the settlers coming. We had the chance of peace and freedom and blew it...We have to live with our mistakes. No more mass movement of people. No more uprooting of families.

[DT.]

Zan and VP

I note that the issue of settlers is obviously absent from your posts. Yet people like Levent and Akinci refer to it often and call it a problem. From personal experience I know that Turkish Cypriots do not want to have much to do with settlers. In my grandfather's village they demolished half the houses so as not to leave any to be filled by settlers. If you dont want them, how can the rest of Cypriots be expected to deal with these people!

What was the point in bringing them in the first place? Other than to deny the right of property restitution to the Greek Cypriots I dont see any other. And rightly people rejcted a plan that gave these people rights over the indigenous Cypriots of both communities. I can understand you standing up for Turkish Cypriot demands, even if I consider them unreasonable, but for the rights of settlers no. And that is not a Greek Cypriot thing, others here seem to share that view.

I don't want to be the one that uses the settlers as pawns any more Nikitas...They are just victims of circumstance and my views on that I have stated several times.......Greece and the "RoC" tried to get rid of the Turkish Cypriot population and Turkey used Turks to counter that....That is not news.....The thought of me being responsible for the deportation of families that have made Cyprus their home, through just trying to better themselves, just disgusts me. We have created a massive problem, and that is a big WE, and we have to deal with it....That is my idea on them and the Cyprob......The "RoC" was responsible for me leaving my island and just as responsible for the settlers coming. We had the chance of peace and freedom and blew it...We have to live with our mistakes. No more mass movement of people. No more uprooting of families.

do you think thats a TC majority view?

[Nikitas]

Zan

Settlers did not materialize out of thin air. They come from some place and not so long ago. THey are not innocent, they knew they were moving into other people's property in another country and doing it illegally.

We have hundreds of thousands of Cypriots spread all over the world. We can bring those back if we have a lack of people on the island. If it makes things more fair, then give the Turkish CYpriots of the diaspora financial incentives to return.

The solution is simple- each settler family gets a ten thousand Euro grant to leave and go back to their native village. And that is a generous offer considering colonization is a crime in international law.

There is a vast difference at the political and emotional level between Turkish Cypriots getting Greek Cypriot properties and settlers doing the same. One sure way to prepare for future violence is to to allow settlers to remain. Individual cases of intermarriage are different since the nationality rules turn the settler into a Cypriot citizen.

[zan]

Zan and VP

I note that the issue of settlers is obviously absent from your posts. Yet people like Levent and Akinci refer to it often and call it a problem. From personal experience I know that Turkish Cypriots do not want to have much to do with settlers. In my grandfather's village they demolished half the houses so as not to leave any to be filled by settlers. If you dont want them, how can the rest of Cypriots be expected to deal with these people!

What was the point in bringing them in the first place? Other than to deny the right of property restitution to the Greek Cypriots I dont see any other. And rightly people rejcted a plan that gave these people rights over the indigenous Cypriots of both communities. I can understand you standing up for Turkish Cypriot demands, even if I consider them unreasonable, but for the rights of settlers no. And that is not a Greek Cypriot thing, others here seem to share that view.

I don't want to be the one that uses the settlers as pawns any more Nikitas...They are just victims of circumstance and my views on that I have stated several times.......Greece and the "RoC" tried to get rid of the Turkish Cypriot population and Turkey used Turks to counter that....That is not news.....The thought of me being responsible for the deportation of families that have made Cyprus their home, through just trying to better themselves, just disgusts me. We have created a massive problem, and that is a big WE, and we have to deal with it....That is my idea on them and the Cyprob......The "RoC" was responsible for me leaving my island and just as responsible for the settlers coming. We had the chance of peace and freedom and blew it...We have to live with our mistakes. No more mass movement of people. No more uprooting of families.

do you think thats a TC majority view?

When faced with the reality of the situation...I believe yes! We don't have it in us to be that callus DT. There are very few people out there that is willing to drag people on to a plane and send them packing. Only governments can do that and the system must not be allowed to dictate to our hearts. That is what we have been doing for too long. There are undesirables of course but then you too would have to do a lot of clearing out if that were the case. I for one am against it..For humanitarian reasons and for common sense. There will be some that will think I am playing political games but that does not matter to me. I know how I feel.

[T_C]

Not all settlers should go. Some have been in Cyprus for a long time and theyre good people. Its the uncivilised freeloaders that MUST go! They have no respect for Cyprus anyways, theyre just on some free ride.
Im sure GCs wouldnt be happy if 500k Pontians moved to Cyprus. Greek they may be but Cypriots they most certainly are not!
Its the Cypriots who know and love their country more than anyone. When you give people who have no attachment to the place the power to decide its future then youre asking for trouble.
There has to be a balance and a limit!

[Viewpoint]

Zan

Settlers did not materialize out of thin air. They come from some place and not so long ago. THey are not innocent, they knew they were moving into other people's property in another country and doing it illegally.

We have hundreds of thousands of Cypriots spread all over the world. We can bring those back if we have a lack of people on the island. If it makes things more fair, then give the Turkish CYpriots of the diaspora financial incentives to return.

The solution is simple- each settler family gets a ten thousand Euro grant to leave and go back to their native village. And that is a generous offer considering colonization is a crime in international law.

There is a vast difference at the political and emotional level between Turkish Cypriots getting Greek Cypriot properties and settlers doing the same. One sure way to prepare for future violence is to to allow settlers to remain. Individual cases of intermarriage are different since the nationality rules turn the settler into a Cypriot citizen.

I agree with zan as these people have been here for 33 years their children have grown up here. I'm not referring to those that have only been here a few years, they would probably jump at then chance and accept a cash incentive to go home. If the table is reversed would you suggest the same solution for Pontiac Greeks or any other person that has settled in the south you have granted citizenship to?

[boomerang]

my heart bleeds for the settlers...and lets be honest they are free loaders...and how do you feel about the people that were ethnically cleansed zan?...I know they are rehabilitated, right?

should the settlers come infront of the refugees?...i do not think so...

they are turkish citizens and they belong in turkey...simple as that...they are turkey's problem...

you are making turkeys problem our problem...i say no jose...this is one of our little red lines...

[boomerang]

Zan

Settlers did not materialize out of thin air. They come from some place and not so long ago. THey are not innocent, they knew they were moving into other people's property in another country and doing it illegally.

We have hundreds of thousands of Cypriots spread all over the world. We can bring those back if we have a lack of people on the island. If it makes things more fair, then give the Turkish CYpriots of the diaspora financial incentives to return.

The solution is simple- each settler family gets a ten thousand Euro grant to leave and go back to their native village. And that is a generous offer considering colonization is a crime in international law.

There is a vast difference at the political and emotional level between Turkish Cypriots getting Greek Cypriot properties and settlers doing the same. One sure way to prepare for future violence is to to allow settlers to remain. Individual cases of intermarriage are different since the nationality rules turn the settler into a Cypriot citizen.

I agree with zan as these people have been here for 33 years their children have grown up here. I'm not referring to those that have only been here a few years, they would probably jump at then chance and accept a cash incentive to go home. If the table is reversed would you suggest the same solution for Pontiac Greeks or any other person that has settled in the south you have granted citizenship to?

ofcource you do...i wouldn't expect anything else...

how about the people that own the land for 100 of years...I don't see you sheading any tears for them...

these people have stolen our heritage...time to go home...and you with them you damn settler...