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[Beth_Josephine]

This is a question that always pops up with me, why the divide and call yourselves GC's or TC's, I am sure if you were born on this island and your mother and father were born on this island, you would be a fully fledge Cypriot?

I am English but my family come from scotland and Ireland, I don't go around calling my self Irish-scot or a gaelic/Celt, I am English.

So why are people disbanding their own cutlure and trying to name themselves as something they are not actually. I don't mean to cause offense but it isjust a reason to show why this island stands still, rather than moves forward.

Not insulting anyone, I do understand that people what to be determined for who they are but have you all forgotton the island that made you?

lots of love

Irish/Scot lass xx

[zan]

This is a question that always pops up with me, why the divide and call yourselves GC's or TC's, I am sure if you were born on this island and your mother and father were born on this island, you would be a fully fledge Cypriot?

I am English but my family come from scotland and Ireland, I don't go around calling my self Irish-scot or a gaelic/Celt, I am English.

So why are people disbanding their own cutlure and trying to name themselves as something they are not actually. I don't mean to cause offense but it isjust a reason to show why this island stands still, rather than moves forward.

Not insulting anyone, I do understand that people what to be determined for who they are but have you all forgotton the island that made you?

lots of love

Irish/Scot lass xx

The island is one thing Beth but there is not a state that caters for both so the split...

[oranos64]

Beth
in my opinion ...anyone coming from cyprus can be a cypriot ... but there are several communties on this island ... not just greeks and turkish
there are maronites ,latins ,armenians

therefore it is sensible for us to identify our ethnic roots ....you would not force a armenian to call himself a cypriot only ...he would be armenian cypriot ..why ...most of them were slaughtered by Turks in Turkey ...they like the local Greek cypriots distrust the Turks and do not wish to be identified as "the same"

like wise ...EOKA types and TMT guys killed innocent people in order to provoke ethnic clashes between the dominate two cultures on the island ...now years later ..both claim to be innocent and try to pretend that 100s of deaths never happened ..or it was the act of the others

also some years ago in the U.K ..whilst i was out talking to T.C friend ..i spoke to old T.C guy ...next to him ...he asked me how comes i had T.C friends .....

i answered ...well we are school friends ..at school all cypriots are the same
" no we are not ...our cultures ,our people are different ,we get along but only just ,we are a different people ..we may look alike but our up bringings are different and we will never get along ...we will always stare at you through fences ....some will hate ..some will get along but the anomostiy will never go ...

in another time ...you would hold a knife to my throat .."

hmmmmm was this guy right

yesterday i watch mega channel in the morning ... a Greek programmed aired live from Greece ...special guests were two turkish actresses from turkey ,who are part of the top rated new program /series on the channel

after their interview ...during a live singing session they got up ,danced with their greek hosts ,flirted ,spoke in both greek and turkish ...

this has been going on for a few years in greece and turkey as both communities have moved on and matured

could it be that these two powers have matured ,developed in economic powerhouses ,whilst the cypriots stood still and prehaps actually gone backwards with their small island mentally

maybe ehh ?

[boomerang]

This is a question that always pops up with me, why the divide and call yourselves GC's or TC's, I am sure if you were born on this island and your mother and father were born on this island, you would be a fully fledge Cypriot?

I am English but my family come from scotland and Ireland, I don't go around calling my self Irish-scot or a gaelic/Celt, I am English.

So why are people disbanding their own cutlure and trying to name themselves as something they are not actually. I don't mean to cause offense but it isjust a reason to show why this island stands still, rather than moves forward.

Not insulting anyone, I do understand that people what to be determined for who they are but have you all forgotton the island that made you?

lots of love

Irish/Scot lass xx

you are quite correct Beth...end of the day this our common denominator, we are all Cypriots and should be proud of this...but as you can see people as a community have not matured enough to see this...hopefully one day we will come to see the light..

please go here
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=214021&sid=e4874934ff1acb20a40a4d2537ec7af0#214021

@oranos
The shipping container is waiting at the docks to transfer you and your belongings to Greece...when ever you are ready just holler...

[oranos64]

This is a question that always pops up with me, why the divide and call yourselves GC's or TC's, I am sure if you were born on this island and your mother and father were born on this island, you would be a fully fledge Cypriot?

I am English but my family come from scotland and Ireland, I don't go around calling my self Irish-scot or a gaelic/Celt, I am English.

So why are people disbanding their own cutlure and trying to name themselves as something they are not actually. I don't mean to cause offense but it isjust a reason to show why this island stands still, rather than moves forward.

Not insulting anyone, I do understand that people what to be determined for who they are but have you all forgotton the island that made you?

lots of love

Irish/Scot lass xx

you are quite correct Beth...end of the day this our common denominator, we are all Cypriots and should be proud of this...but as you can see people as a community have not matured enough to see this...hopefully one day we will come to see the light..

please go here
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=214021&sid=e4874934ff1acb20a40a4d2537ec7af0#214021

@oranos
The shipping container is waiting at the docks to transfer you and your belongings to Greece...when ever you are ready just holler...

I WONT BE GOING NOWHERE MATE ....BUT IN TIME ... I WILL HAVE A BIGGER SAY IN THE FUTURE HERE ..THAN KEYBOARD WARRIORS LIKE YOU ..TRUST ME

[boomerang]

hahaah keyboard warriors hahaha....get it through your head you are a greek and belong in greece...time for you to relocate to be close with your relatives...you are just a blow job...


I WILL HAVE A BIGGER SAY IN THE FUTURE HERE and all true wisdom is found on god damn t-shirts....the question is how many t-shirts do you own?

[Piratis]

This is a question that always pops up with me, why the divide and call yourselves GC's or TC's, I am sure if you were born on this island and your mother and father were born on this island, you would be a fully fledge Cypriot?

I am English but my family come from scotland and Ireland, I don't go around calling my self Irish-scot or a gaelic/Celt, I am English.

So why are people disbanding their own cutlure and trying to name themselves as something they are not actually. I don't mean to cause offense but it isjust a reason to show why this island stands still, rather than moves forward.

Not insulting anyone, I do understand that people what to be determined for who they are but have you all forgotton the island that made you?

lots of love

Irish/Scot lass xx

Hello Beth,
I, and I believe most Greek Cypriots, identify ourselves as just Cypriots usually. The "Greek" part is just one of our attributes, and unfortunately those that made the constitution of our country and forced it on us have entered this ethnic discriminations right into our constitution.

So to answer your question:

For centuries there have been almost always two groups of people in Cyprus: The native Cypriot population (who were Greek) and the "higher class" of the people that the rulers of Cyprus had brought to our island.

The last 3 rulers of Cyprus were the Latins (Franks and Venetians), the Ottoman Turks and the British.

When the Turks invaded Cyprus and took it from the Venetians they killed 10s of thousands of Cypriots, and they almost totally exterminated the Latins. This is why today just 1% of Cypriots belong to the Latin minority. Then the Ottomans divided the people among their own Turkish settlers, and the native population. The native Cypriot population was forced to pay twice as much taxes, their testimony was not accepted in courts, and in general there was a clear distinction and discrimination between Christian Greek and Turkish Muslim in Cyprus. Cypriots tried to revolt many times, especially during the Greek war of independence when mainland Greece and many other islands got liberated from the Ottomans, but our attempts were unsuccessful. In general right from the beginning our relationship with the Turks has been a very bad one.

Then the British took over Cyprus. Unlike the previous rulers the British were not interested in bringing large number of British settlers in Cyprus. They wanted Cyprus mostly as a military base from where they could control the middle east. In the begging of the British rule, the British treated all Cypriots the same, and all Cypriots, regardless if they were Christian or Muslim, were getting along with each other.

Then after world war I and especially after world war II, Cypriots saw that all other territories were being decolonized, and they started to demand their rights. After so many rulers and oppression, the wanted to finally be allowed to determine the destiny of their own island.

However the British didn't want to allow Cyprus totally free since they still had many strategic interests on our island. So when Cypriots started to fight against the British for the liberation of their island as it happened with all other Greek island by then, the British turned the Turkish minority against Cypriots by promising to them a lot of gains on the expense of the rest of Cypriots who had rebelled against them. In fact it was the British who had first brought up discussions about partition, threatening Cypriots that if they do not accept their terms they would split Cyprus in 3 parts.

In the end Cypriots compromised and instead of a real liberation and full self determination for Cypriots, what we were forced to accept was some semi-independence, with foreign "guarantors", foreign troops, and 2 huge areas of Cyprus be given to the UK as sovereign(!!!!) bases.

What was even worst, those that made the constitution of Cyprus and forced it on us, made it in such a way that separation and conflict between GCs and TCs would be maintained. They separated GCs and TCs in almost everything, and they gave to the TC minority a lot of privileges on the expense of other Cypriots. This way they ensured that Cyprus would always be in conflict, and we would not be able to fight for our freedom and tell to their troops and bases to piss off our island.


After world war II and the rise (apparently just in theory) of decolonization, human rights and democracy, it was a good chance to leave the ruler/ruled division among Cypriots behind once and for all. Especially after Makarios proposed independence of Cyprus, that would be the ideal time to create a true independent state, with no foreign troops and bases, with democracy and no kind of discrimination and division among the Cypriot people. Unfortunately those that had the power decided otherwise, for their own interests.

[shahmaran]

Yes, you can always count on Piratis to barge in with his extremely unbiased history of our island that usually begins with the words "Greeks, the natives of the island...", and thats where i usually stop reading it

[phoenix]

Yes, you can always count on Piratis to barge in with his extremely unbiased history of our island that usually begins with the words "Greeks, the natives of the island...", and thats where i usually stop reading it

Pity you might learn something . . .

Or do you have attention deficit disorder?

[Piratis]

So shahmaran tell me how Greeks are less native in Cyprus than any other Greek island or even mainland Greece. Except if you will claim that Greeks are not native anywhere

If I am biased as you claim then tell me where you disagree. Isn't it a fact that the Ottomans had divided people among the native Cypriots and their own Turkish settlers? Isn't it true that the conflict between the two sides starts from back then? Isn't it true that the TCs had sided with the British while the rest of Cypriots were fighting against them? Isn't it true that the constitution of 1960 was forced on us, and that in that constitution the British forced separation along ethnic lines in almost everything and gave you privileges on the expense of the rest of Cypriots?

And finally, isn't it true, that you do not accept one united democratic Cyprus where all Cypriots are equal without any racist discrimination?

Come on shahmaran, admit it. Your minority is promised gains on the loss of the other Cypriots, and this is why you cooperate with foreigners against Cyprus.