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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:51 am

phoenix wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
phoenix wrote:Undaunted, here's the article on Turks.

Molecular Biology and EvolutionAbout This Journal Contact This Journal Subscriptions Current Issue Archive Search Oxford Journals Life Sciences Molecular Biology and Evolution Volume 13, Number 8 Pp. 1067-1077
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Right, thank you Phoenix! So in laymen's terms what it's saying here is that Turks are still at their Neanderthal stage which explains the events of 74... 8)


Eureka . . . I think it's saying they are the missing link between Neanderthals and modern man . . :lol:

:lol: You've done a swell job tonight with all these findings...
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Postby zan » Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:07 am

zan wrote:
phoenix wrote:Undaunted, here's the article on Turks.

Molecular Biology and EvolutionAbout This Journal Contact This Journal Subscriptions Current Issue Archive Search Oxford Journals Life Sciences Molecular Biology and Evolution Volume 13, Number 8 Pp. 1067-1077
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Geographic variation in human mitochondrial DNA control region sequence: the population history of Turkey and its relationship to the European populations
D Comas, F Calafell, E Mateu, A Perez-Lezaun and J Bertranpetit
Laboratori d' Antropologia, Facultat de Biologia, Universitat de Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain.

The hypervariable segment I of the control region of the mtDNA (positions 16024-16383) was amplified from hair roots by PCR and sequenced in 45 unrelated individuals from Anatolia (Asian Turkey). Forty different sequences were found, defined by 56 variable positions, of which only one involves a transversion. The neighbor-joining tree of Kimura's distance matrix for all sequences shows four main clusters. Cluster D was found to be the most statistically robust of the four, and all the sequences in it shared a mutation that is present only in European and West Asian populations. The variability in cluster D could have originated between 37,000 and 107,000 years ago. No branch is unexpectedly long, denoting the absence of sequences that diverged much before the others. The pairwise difference distribution is bell-shaped, in accordance with a population expansion occurring roughly 35,000 to 100,000 years ago. When compared to other Caucasoid populations through the pairwise difference distribution, there is a pattern from the Middle East (older expansion) to the various European populations, with Turkey in an intermediate position; when Turkish sequences are compared through a neighbor-joining tree on a genetic distance matrix of populations, this position is again evidenced. Although there is a very low level of genetic divergence among Caucasoid populations as shown by mtDNA control region sequences, a geographic pattern of genetic variation emerges, denoting a stepping-stone position of Turkey between the Middle East and Europe, which is in agreement with the hypothesis of a replacement of Neanderthals by modern humans, which could be related to the Upper Paleolithic cultural expansion.



Why the Republic of Cyprus is institutionally racist
By Alkan Chaglar
LAST week, I accompanied a friend who wanted to apply for Republic of Cyprus citizenship to the Cyprus High Commission in London. My friend, whose identity I have promised to keep confidential (let’s just call her Mrs X), is a Turkish national, born in Turkey, whose spouse is a Republic of Cyprus citizen. This was not Mrs X’s first trip to the visa section of the Cyprus High Commission, where citizenship forms are filled up, inspected and sent to Nicosia bureaucrats for a final rubber stamp of approval.

Around four years ago, she stood at the same counter and was informed that for her to be eligible for citizenship, which would make her life easy if she ever decides to emigrate to Cyprus with her husband, she would need to get married abroad, as marriage certificates from the breakaway ‘TRNC’ are unrecognised and classed as illegal.

Mrs X was led to believe that since she was not a Turkish settler she had a chance of success. By contrast, marriage between Republic of Cyprus citizens and Turkish settlers in north Cyprus are considered a “result of the invasion” and are not recognised by the government. Part of the government’s opposition is based on the assumption that it was the invasion that forced them to fall in love…

By some quirk of Cypriot political games, Mrs X was also informed that she had to reside with her husband for at least three years (not an unreasonable request), but as long as they did not live in northern Cyprus, where the entire family of her spouse live.

The couple were effectively told that they could live together anywhere in the world they wanted to, that could be the Polynesia, Canada or even Outer Mongolia but under no circumstances in the native country of her husband. Anywhere but a part of the country whose citizenship you seek to acquire, sounds logical right? The process, they were informed, could take a year as the Cyprus Council of Ministers works slowly but that citizenship would be hers after a year’s patience.

Consequently, the couple decided to marry and stay in the UK, since this is where they met; her Cypriot husband informed me that Canada was too nippy for them, while they did not fancy living on a Polynesian atoll, which was too far away and detached from the rest of civilisation, besides the nuclear fall-out might leave a bad taste in their coconut. Married in the UK with a UK marriage certificate, the couple who have always intended to return to Cyprus, have now waited four years before attempting to apply for Cyprus citizenship again.

Mrs X had researched what she had to bring with her before making her way to the High Commission using the Republic of Cyprus’ own government information portal. She obtained from the police a report of good character as required, and evidence of her residency in the UK for the past three years by way of bank statements and utility bills. She had even brought the £120 required to make the M.125 application as advised by the Cyprus government on their own official website.

However, upon arrival at the High Commission, Mrs X was asked to forget the portal and was asked if she had ever visited the “occupied areas”, to which she replied yes. Why would she not? After all, the family of her husband reside there and it is highly likely that her husband would return to this part of the island, where 99 per cent of all Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus reside. Did the government really expect her to stay behind while her husband went to see his family?

Without having any of her papers even looked at, she was informed that on account of this, her application would be immediately unsuccessful, so she needn’t bother. Recent legislation was also against her she was told, so she was told that her application would not even be considered. An absurd law, it is clearly designed to filter out Turkish applications for Cypriot citizenship. Had she been a Greek national would she be treated the same way I wonder?

Confused and visibly angered by such blatant discrimination on the part of the government, her Cypriot husband said: “It is her legal right – I don’t understand what is going on! How can this happen in an EU country? Why is she being treated like this?”

Fed up of playing the waiting game for what seems to be a losing battle, the couple plan to take the issue to the Cyprus government and the European Courts. “In Britain we have to wait four years before we can apply for citizenship, in New Zealand it is three years, but in Cyprus if you are Turkish you have to wait for all eternity,” he remarked.

“What are we expected to do if most Turkish Cypriots happen to live in the occupied territories?” her husband asks. “Should I not visit that part of the island even though that’s where my parents and my grand parents, and my school friends live – it is as if they [the government] are trying to suffocate and weaken us politically…” he adds.

The assertion is not implausible from a political point of view, since it does not take a political expert to note that a larger population means greater political power after a political settlement for that community. Nevertheless, it’s a very devious way to safely keep power in the Republic of Cyprus in the hands of the Greek Cypriot majority and it does rather stink of racism. Surely, the government must be aware that marriage between Turkish Cypriots, Turks and Kurds is common.

But on the other hand, the government of the Republic of Cyprus which claims to be all embracing towards Turkish Cypriots and pro-reunification must ensure that it does not push away Turkish Cypriots by grossly unfair citizenship policies that bare the hallmark of institutionalised racism. Petty political games over labelling as ‘illegal’ and banning anything that has even the faintest links with the north of Cyprus will achieve nothing but give momentum to Turkish extremists and pro-partitionists who seek every opportunity to convince Turkish Cypriots that Cypriot Mediterranean apartheid is a solution. The difficulties presented by this petty game will have the opposite effect of forcing Turkish Cypriot citizens of the Republic to abandon their rights in that state and embrace the illegality.

As a citizen of the Republic, it is scandalous that Cypriots of Turkish descent who place their trust and credibility in the Republic of Cyprus should be punished for falling in love with a Turkish national. Surely, the government must be aware that such signals are dangerous as they question the inclusiveness of the government of Cyprus.

To avoid appearing like a Greek Cypriot state, legislators in the Republic in fact need more Turkish Cypriots to queue up for citizenship, for without them the Republic would fall in the embarrassing position of being seen as a Greek Cypriot state and this will in turn lead to an upgrade of the north of Cyprus.

Politically, such practices of institutionalised racism may secretly serve a sort-term murky desire to keep the numbers of Turkish Cypriots down, lest they demand greater rights in their own country, but they do nothing but hamper efforts for reconciliation and reunification.
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Postby phoenix » Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:15 am

Zan . . what is the purpose of linking the study from "Molecular Biology and Evolution" which is an unbiased peer-reviewed analysis with the grudging anecdote about some relationship between a Turk and a "Cypriot"?

Do they need mitochondrial-DNA analysis, or what are you suggesting?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:23 am

phoenix wrote:Zan . . what is the purpose of linking the study from "Molecular Biology and Evolution" which is an unbiased peer-reviewed analysis with the grudging anecdote about some relationship between a Turk and a "Cypriot"?

Do they need mitochondrial-DNA analysis, or what are you suggesting?

Zanny is paranoid schizophrenic who will not go to sleep until he has the final word. To prove that go to any thread where he has posted last and add a full stop and see what happens! :lol:
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Postby utu » Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:41 am

Doesn't Zen/Zanny make the same comment about you?
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Re: A DNA study

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:25 am

Get Real! wrote:This is the DNA study Phoenix and I were looking at and at the end of it you'll find her professional (off-duty) conclusion...

So dig into those tables Pyro... :lol:


1: J Med Genet. 1979 Oct;16(5):363-5.

Alpha-thalassaemia in Cyprus.

Hadjiminas M, Zachariadis Z, Stamatoyannopoulos G.

The frequency of alpha-thalassaemia in Cyprus was determined with studies of
haemoglobin Bart's in 1200 Greek Cypriot and 132 Turkish Cypriot newborn babies.
Of the Greek newborns, 12.4%, and of the Turkish newborns, 6.8% had raised Hb
Bart's (from 0.6% to 12.9% of the total haemoglobin) suggesting that they were
carriers of either alpha-thalassaemia-1 or alpha-thalassaemia-2 genes. The
findings suggest that the population of Cyprus has the highest frequencies of
alpha-thalassaemia among Caucasian people.
PMID: 513081 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Br J Haematol. 1995 Mar;89(3):496-9.

alpha-Thalassaemia in the population of Cyprus.

Baysal E, Kleanthous M, Bozkurt G, Kyrri A, Kalogirou E, Angastiniotis M, Ioannou
P, Huisman TH.

Laboratory of Protein Chemistry, Medical College of Georgia, Augusta 30912-2100.

We have determined the alpha-thalassaemia (alpha-thal) determinants in 78
patients with Hb H disease from Cyprus; 25 were Turkish Cypriots and 53 were
Greek Cypriots. Four deletional and three non-deletional alpha-thal alleles were
present; the -alpha(3.7 kb) alpha-thal-2 and the --MED-I alpha-thal-1 were most
frequently seen; --MED-II and -(alpha)20.5 deletions occurred at considerably
lower frequencies. About 15% of all chromosomes carried a non-deletional
alpha-thal-2 allele; of these the 5 nucleotide (nt) deletion at the first
intervening sequence (IVS-I) donor splice site was present in approximately 8% of
all chromosomes. Two types of polyadenylation signal (poly A) mutations were
observed. No striking frequency differences were seen between Greek and Turkish
Cypriot patients. Combinations of the various types of alpha-thal resulted in
eight different forms of Hb H disease. The phenotypes were comparable except for
great variations in the level of Hb H which was highest (average approximately
22%) in the 12 patients with the alpha 5nt alpha/--MED-I combination. One patient
with the same form of Hb H disease but with an additional beta-thal
(IVS-I-110,G-->A) heterozygosity had a most severe microcytosis and hypochromia
with < 1% Hb H. Variations in the level of Hb H might correlate with the severity
of the disease, although this was not evident from the haematological data.

PMID: 7734346 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Genet Test. 2006 Winter;10(4):285-9.

High frequency of 35delG GJB2 mutation and absence of del(GJB6-D13S1830) in Greek
Cypriot patients with nonsyndromic hearing loss.

Neocleous V, Aspris A, Shahpenterian V, Nicolaou V, Panagi C, Ioannou I, Kyamides
Y, Anastasiadou V, Phylactou LA.

Department of Molecular Genetics, The Cyprus Institute of Neurology and Genetics,
1683 Nicosia, Cyprus.

Mutations in the GJB2 (Connexin 26) gene are responsible for more than half of
all cases of prelingual, recessive, inherited, nonsyndromic deafness in Europe.
This paper presents a mutation analysis of the GJB2 and GJB6 (Connexin 30) genes
in 30 Greek Cypriot patients with sensorineural nonsyndromic hearing loss
compatible with recessive inheritance. Ten of the patients (33.3%) had the 35delG
mutation in the GJB2 gene. Moreover, 9 of these were homozygous for the 35delG
mutation, whereas 1 patient was in the compound heterozygous state with the
disease causing E47X nonsense mutation. Another patient with severe sensorineural
hearing loss was heterozygous for the V153I missense mutation. Finally, no GJB6
mutations or the known del(GJB6-D13S1830) were identified in any of the
investigated Greek Cypriot nonsyndromic hearing loss patients. This work confirms
that the GJB2 35delG mutation is an important pathogenic mutation for hearing
loss in the Greek Cypriot population. This finding will be used toward the
effective diagnosis of nonsyndromic hearing loss, improve genetic counseling, and
serve as a potential therapeutic platform in the future for the affected patients
in Cyprus.

PMID: 17253936 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2006 Aug;70( :1473-7. Epub 2006 May 19.

Determination of the carrier frequency of the common GJB2 (connexin-26) 35delG
mutation in the Greek Cypriot population.

Neocleous V, Portides G, Anastasiadou V, Phylactou LA.

Department of Molecular Genetics C, The Cyprus Institute of Neurology and
Genetics, P.O. Box 23462, 1683 Nicosia, Cyprus.

OBJECTIVE: Mutations in the GJB2 (connexin-26) gene are responsible for more than
half of all cases of prelingual recessive inherited non-syndromic deafness in
Europe. One specific mutation 35delG, accounts for up to 70% of the mutations
detected in European populations and is one of the most frequent disease
mutations identified so far. The aim of this study is to determine the percentage
of carriers of this mutation in the Greek Cypriot population. METHODS: Genomic
DNA was isolated from a total of 405 healthy unrelated Greek Cypriot adults.
Screening for the frameshift 35delG mutation was performed by using an
allele-specific PCR protocol. Moreover, using the Poisson probability
distribution, we compared the carrier frequencies of the 35delG mutation of the
Greek Cypriot population to the various European and Middle Eastern populations.
RESULTS: The carrier frequency in the Greek Cypriot population was estimated to
be 2.5% and is similar to that observed in other European populations. The
variance estimate for 35delG mutation produces slightly wider intervals with the
Poisson model when compared with Binomial probability variance estimate.

PMID: 16713631 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Genet Test. 2004 Fall;8(3):319-24.

Evidence for association of endothelial cell nitric oxide synthase gene
polymorphism with earlier progression to end-stage renal disease in a cohort of
Hellens from Greece and Cyprus.

Lamnissou K, Zirogiannis P, Trygonis S, Demetriou K, Pierides A, Koptides M,
Deltas CC.

Division of Genetics, Department of Biology, University of Athens, Athens,
Greece.

Nitric oxide (NO) is thought to be an important factor in the deterioration of
renal function. A variable-number tandem 27-bp repeat in intron 4 of the
endothelial cell nitric oxide synthase (NOS3) gene has been found to be
associated with the plasma levels of NO metabolites. Two alleles are of varied
frequencies in different populations (a and b). The shorter allele a has been
associated in Japanese populations with the progression of renal disease. Here we
investigated this hypothesis by studying the putative role of this polymorphism
in a Hellenic population of patients with end-stage renal disease (ESRD). We
analyzed the genotypes of 361 ESRD patients and 295 healthy Hellens from Greece
and Cyprus. The frequencies of NOS3-4bb, NOS3-4ab, and NOS3-4aa were 0.69, 0.27,
and 0.03, respectively, in the control group and 0.71, 0.24, and 0.04 in the
group of patients. The data in the two populations were analyzed by the
chi-square and Fisher's exact tests. The frequencies of these three genotypes of
NOS3-4 polymorphism in the Hellenic population of Greece and Cyprus are similar
to those observed in other Caucasian populations. Moreover, our results from
three patient groups, autosomal dominant polycystic kidney disease (ADPKD),
diabetes mellitus (DM), and non-DM, showed that the frequencies of aa and ab
genotypes in the patient populations were not significantly different from those
observed in the control group. This work indicates that NOS3-4 polymorphism does
not show any association with the development of ESRD in this studied European
population. However, examination of the data regarding progression to ESRD within
5 years or after more than 5 years following clinical diagnosis of ADPKD provided
evidence of statistical difference (p = 0.048, before Bonferroni correction),
with faster progression in the group of ADPKD patients who carried allele a.

PMID: 15727257 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Genet Test. 2002 Spring;6(1):15-21.

Familial Mediterranean fever (FMF) mutations occur frequently in the
Greek-Cypriot population of Cyprus.

Deltas CC, Mean R, Rossou E, Costi C, Koupepidou P, Hadjiyanni I, Hadjiroussos V,
Petrou P, Pierides A, Lamnisou K, Koptides M.

Department of Molecular Genetics C, Cyprus Institute of Neurology and Genetics,
Department of Biological Sciences, University of Cyprus, Nicosia, Cyprus.
[email protected]

Familial Mediterranean Fever (FMF) is an autosomal recessive disease of high
prevalence within Mediterranean countries and particularly common in four ethnic
populations: Arabs, non-Ashkenazi Jews, Armenians, and Turks. The responsible
gene MEFV has been assigned to chromosome 16p13.3. Our aim was to establish the
frequencies of the most common mutations in Greek-Cypriots. We found that 1 in 25
is a carrier of one of three mutations. V726A, M694V, and F479L. In 68
Grek-Cypriot FMF chromosomes analyzed, we found V726A (25%), F479L (20.6%), M694V
(17.6%), and others (36.8%). Mutation F479L, relatively common in this
population, is very rare elsewhere. Our study indicates that FMF is not a rare
condition in Cyprus and that, because of the significant morbidity associated
with this disorder, which is often diagnosed only after unnecessary surgeries, a
newborn screening program to detect affected in this population may be warranted.
PMID: 12180071 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Genet Epidemiol. 1995;12(5):489-97.

Underexpression of the apolipoprotein E2 and E4 alleles in the Greek Cypriot
population of Cyprus.

Cariolou MA, Kokkofitou A, Manoli P, Christou S, Karagrigoriou A, Middleton L.

Department of Molecular Genetics, Cyprus Institute of Neurology and Genetics,
Nicosia, Cyprus.

Apolipoprotein E (APOE) plays an important role in the multifactorial etiology of
both cardiovascular disease and Alzheimer's disease. Polymerase chain reaction
(PCR) was used to investigate the APOE gene polymorphism in 335 unrelated Greek
Cypriots living on the island of Cyprus. For the most common APOE genotypes, the
Greek Cypriots followed the general Caucasian European pattern of having higher
genotypic frequencies of E3/3, followed by E3/4, and then E2/3. Among the
European populations compared, Greek Cypriots exhibited the lowest relative
frequency of the E3/4 genotype (12.83%). Also, the relative frequencies of the E2
and E4 alleles in Greek Cypriots were among the lowest around the world (5.4% and
7.0%, respectively). This was also demonstrated by using the complete and the
average clustering methods of analysis where the APOE allele relative frequencies
in Greek Cypriots were compared to 46 other populations. The Greek Cypriot
population in these analyses clustered with populations mainly from south Europe
and Japan which have low E2 and E4 allele frequencies. The Greek Cypriot
population will be studied further for elucidating the effect(s) and the role of
APOE in cardiovascular disease and the APOE4 allele as a possible metabolic
factor affecting the rate of expression of both Alzheimer's disease and vascular
dementia.

PMID: 8557181 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Phoenix wrote:I've panned some databases and I have a fair idea of the distribution of some mutations and allelic polymorphisms (genes) between Greeks, Cypriots and Turks.

It would appear that Greeks and Cypriots are similar enough to be grouped together and when compared to other groups fall into a European / Caucasian Mega-group.

The Turks are distinct and fall into a Caucasian / Oriental Mega-group.

There are overlaps and there are specific differences . . . just as there are for any comparative group. So nothing unique there.

Don't forget we all go back to the same one mother, between 100,000 and 150,000 years ago when the Human population must have been devastated by some catastrophe

So we are basically the same, just a few differences due to environment and Nurture.

If I get time I'll try and get to the Uni library and have a look at more recent publications that haven't made the databases yet.



Regards, GR.


Do you see any tables? I don't. :razz: :razz: :razz:

Besides as you know it's a long time now there have been pre-marital tests that practically wiped out the decease of thalassemia so any studies based on such recent data are not a valid indicator of what we were talking about.

Second would you call a sample of 132 TCs a representative one???

Thanks for letting us know we in Cyprus are Caucasian :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby zan » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:37 am

Get Real! wrote:
phoenix wrote:Zan . . what is the purpose of linking the study from "Molecular Biology and Evolution" which is an unbiased peer-reviewed analysis with the grudging anecdote about some relationship between a Turk and a "Cypriot"?

Do they need mitochondrial-DNA analysis, or what are you suggesting?

Zanny is paranoid schizophrenic who will not go to sleep until he has the final word. To prove that go to any thread where he has posted last and add a full stop and see what happens! :lol:



Says a guy talking to himself......


@ Ooooooh! Whoever :roll:

Read thee article again and you will see why. Of course the other reason is that it shows you up for what you are and even with the most definite of studies you still can't be trusted to do the right thing......We, collectively with the settlers, stay.....Make sure you include that in your plans...Although I am sure you already have...In the negative sense that is.
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Re: A DNA study

Postby phoenix » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:09 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Besides as you know it's a long time now there have been pre-marital tests that practically wiped out the decease of thalassemia so any studies based on such recent data are not a valid indicator of what we were talking about.

Second would you call a sample of 132 TCs a representative one???

Thanks for letting us know we in Cyprus are Caucasian :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Smaller samples when using Humans in these studies are acceptable because of direct relationship - unlike animal studies where you have to have huge numbers to establish a causal link.

Pyro - you made the assertion that GC and TC are genetically more similar to each other than to other groups and I gave you a warning about the dangers of such studies beacuse of the low numbers of meanigful data and how easy it is to draw any conclusion you desire by choosing the genes to compare.

More enlightening will be when we have full mitochondrial-DNA data and a brief search has revealed that these are underway . . . so far some data exists for Greeks and Turks . . . I have not found anything to suggest anyone is looking at specifically TC and GC . . .

Just for the record if anyone is interested here's another:

Mitochondrial DNA sequence variation in the Anatolian Peninsula (Turkey).
J Genet. 2004; 83(1):39-47 (ISSN: 0022-1333)
Mergen H ; Oner R ; Oner C
Department of Molecular Biology, Faculty of Science, Hacettepe University, 06532 Beytepe, Ankara, Turkey.

Throughout human history, the region known today as the Anatolian peninsula (Turkey) has served as a junction connecting the Middle East, Europe and Central Asia, and, thus, has been subject to major population movements. The present study is undertaken to obtain information about the distribution of the existing mitochondrial D-loop sequence variations in the Turkish population of Anatolia. A few studies have previously reported mtDNA sequences in Turks. We attempted to extend these results by analysing a cohort that is not only larger, but also more representative of the Turkish population living in Anatolia. In order to obtain a descriptive picture for the phylogenetic distribution of the mitochondrial genome within Turkey, we analysed mitochondrial D-loop region sequence variations in 75 individuals from different parts of Anatolia by direct sequencing. Analysis of the two hypervariable segments within the noncoding region of the mitochondrial genome revealed the existence of 81 nucleotide mutations at 79 sites. The neighbour-joining tree of Kimura's distance matrix has revealed the presence of six main clusters, of which H and U are the most common. The data obtained are also compared with several European and Turkic Central Asian populations.

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Postby oranos64 » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:17 am

so long story short ...Greeks ,TURKS ,ITALIANS ETC HAVE NEAR IDENTICAL DNA ...AND ? SO WHAT ...channel 4 of the UK ...proved this in 1996 in a program on cyprus and 74 ...so what is this going to do ...is it proving anything ...

...its not the DNA ..that creates hate ..it is the culture ,politicians ,society ..it is life experiences ....

this is irrelevant info ....

all for two communities co existing and staying as they are ....peace comes to those WHO waNt it ...BUT ARE PREPARED FOR THE WORSE but it comes with scaRrfice ...

waste of time that NIKIFOROS THOUGH
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Postby iceman » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:34 am

oranos64 wrote:so long story short ...Greeks ,TURKS ,ITALIANS ETC HAVE NEAR IDENTICAL DNA ...AND ? SO WHAT ...channel 4 of the UK ...proved this in 1996 in a program on cyprus and 74 ...so what is this going to do ...is it proving anything ...

...its not the DNA ..that creates hate ..it is the culture ,politicians ,society ..it is life experiences ....

this is irrelevant info ....

all for two communities co existing and staying as they are ....peace comes to those WHO waNt it ...BUT ARE PREPARED FOR THE WORSE but it comes with scaRrfice ...

waste of time that NIKIFOROS THOUGH


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