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[Viewpoint]

I can understand what you are saying if we take the last half of your final sentence as a given alexISS but I think you are being a little premature on that one. You have to understand that the antics of the first president of our first ever republic destroyed that feeling of total Cypriotness with his plans along the line of the Akritas Plan......We have nothing left to relate to as far as the "RoC" is concerned. We relate to the part we were forced into. Yes, I am afraid we were forced.

Personally I do not believe or find necessary that TCs and GCs should erase their ethnic background and be plain Cypriots, it's impossible and it won't help end the Cyprus problem. TCs are partly Turkish, partly Cypriot. GCs are partly Greek, partly Cypriot. The thing that unites the two, whether you like it or not, is the Cypriot part. Repeating the other side's past mistakes is not fruitful, you can go on about how much damage Makarios has done and GCs can do the same about Denktash or others before him. What I'm saying is that for the TC community the future is brighter in a united Cyprus than in a Turkish province or a Turkish client state. That's all

Who says it will be better? a GC to TC? well forgive me for not believing you I have to see it in black and white and not just take your word for it.

[free_cyprus]

I for one disagree with the concept of greek or turkish...I prefer plain Cypriot...

FFS my daughters are first generation Australians...WHy can the people of cyprus after numerous generations be called Cypriots...

Do you also call an australian, a pom?...yes if you want a busted up nose...Get over it you are all cypriots...

hey theres no fecking cypriots in cyprus they are all greeks and turks they are all from turkey and greece, there has never been cypriots in cyprus in the history of cyprus, so i dont know what the argument is about how can we be anythign but greeks and turks we are pure and we are greeks and turks even 3000 years of invasions and rape has left us all in tact and pure, we are all turks and greeks hooooraayyyyyyyyyyyy bollox

[utu]

unify with people who want nothing but to make cyprus all turkish and full control
People who invade take ur land by force.

The problem with this statement is that in 1974, Turkey had the opportunity to occupy the entire island, but they did not. Also, the Turkish Cypriot claim that they were facing persecution and removal at the hands of those Greek Cypriots supporting Enosis - as evidenced by the intercommunal violence and the attempted coup d'etat of 1974 means that this statement can be thrown right back at you, Paliomexoto. You hate Turkey for maintaining troops on the island, and that is understandable, but would you have had any thoughts for the Turkish Cypriots who would have lost out had the coup succeeded?

[Get Real!]

unify with people who want nothing but to make cyprus all turkish and full control
People who invade take ur land by force.

The problem with this statement is that in 1974, Turkey had the opportunity to occupy the entire island, but they did not. Also, the Turkish Cypriot claim that they were facing persecution and removal at the hands of those Greek Cypriots supporting Enosis - as evidenced by the intercommunal violence and the attempted coup d'etat of 1974 means that this statement can be thrown right back at you, Paliomexoto. You hate Turkey for maintaining troops on the island, and that is understandable, but would you have had any thoughts for the Turkish Cypriots who would have lost out had the coup succeeded?

Had Turkey never interfered in Cyprus there would've never been an inter-communal clash in the first place and the TC community would've blended in Cyprus just fine.

The Cyprus problem is about the constant INTERFERENCE and VIOLATIONS of Turkey of a weaker sovereign neighbor.

[zan]

unify with people who want nothing but to make cyprus all turkish and full control
People who invade take ur land by force.

The problem with this statement is that in 1974, Turkey had the opportunity to occupy the entire island, but they did not. Also, the Turkish Cypriot claim that they were facing persecution and removal at the hands of those Greek Cypriots supporting Enosis - as evidenced by the intercommunal violence and the attempted coup d'etat of 1974 means that this statement can be thrown right back at you, Paliomexoto. You hate Turkey for maintaining troops on the island, and that is understandable, but would you have had any thoughts for the Turkish Cypriots who would have lost out had the coup succeeded?

Had Turkey never interfered in Cyprus there would've never been an inter-communal clash in the first place and the TC community would've blended in Cyprus just fine.

The Cyprus problem is about the constant INTERFERENCE and VIOLATIONS of Turkey of a weaker sovereign neighbor.

Turkey were not the only people objecting to your ENOSIS mate...We the Turkish Cypriots did too.

[utu]

Didn't Makarios himself say that Independence for Cyprus was not the final goal? Given that sentiment, how could the partnership republic work? GR, you say that Turkey interfered in Cyprus, and there is evidence to support that, but don't forget that Greece was also doing their thing as well. Cyprus can be compared with a rope used in a tug-of-war, with Greece on one side and Turkey on the other.

[alexISS]

I can understand what you are saying if we take the last half of your final sentence as a given alexISS but I think you are being a little premature on that one. You have to understand that the antics of the first president of our first ever republic destroyed that feeling of total Cypriotness with his plans along the line of the Akritas Plan......We have nothing left to relate to as far as the "RoC" is concerned. We relate to the part we were forced into. Yes, I am afraid we were forced.

Personally I do not believe or find necessary that TCs and GCs should erase their ethnic background and be plain Cypriots, it's impossible and it won't help end the Cyprus problem. TCs are partly Turkish, partly Cypriot. GCs are partly Greek, partly Cypriot. The thing that unites the two, whether you like it or not, is the Cypriot part. Repeating the other side's past mistakes is not fruitful, you can go on about how much damage Makarios has done and GCs can do the same about Denktash or others before him. What I'm saying is that for the TC community the future is brighter in a united Cyprus than in a Turkish province or a Turkish client state. That's all

In that "perfect world" scenario alexISS, I can only agree with you but Cyprus is far from perfect and the "RoC" less so. That is why the Zurich agreement was drafted and then many versions of the Annan Plan. Dreams can only be achieved through practical and realistic means.

A unified Cyprus is not a utopia zan, you're making things look harder than they are. Don't forget that it's only been 5 years since Turkey joined the negotiations, her position before was that there is no problem to be solved. So the Annan plan was rejected, so what. There will be others if the people want to. You didn't honestly expect the Greek Cypriots to agree to the first proposal offered to them when they were given nothing for 30 years, did you? Finally, it's not 1964 anymore, the fear of repetition of past events is exaggerated, it's 2007, we live in much more civilized times and Cyprus is an EU member

[zan]

I can understand what you are saying if we take the last half of your final sentence as a given alexISS but I think you are being a little premature on that one. You have to understand that the antics of the first president of our first ever republic destroyed that feeling of total Cypriotness with his plans along the line of the Akritas Plan......We have nothing left to relate to as far as the "RoC" is concerned. We relate to the part we were forced into. Yes, I am afraid we were forced.

Personally I do not believe or find necessary that TCs and GCs should erase their ethnic background and be plain Cypriots, it's impossible and it won't help end the Cyprus problem. TCs are partly Turkish, partly Cypriot. GCs are partly Greek, partly Cypriot. The thing that unites the two, whether you like it or not, is the Cypriot part. Repeating the other side's past mistakes is not fruitful, you can go on about how much damage Makarios has done and GCs can do the same about Denktash or others before him. What I'm saying is that for the TC community the future is brighter in a united Cyprus than in a Turkish province or a Turkish client state. That's all

In that "perfect world" scenario alexISS, I can only agree with you but Cyprus is far from perfect and the "RoC" less so. That is why the Zurich agreement was drafted and then many versions of the Annan Plan. Dreams can only be achieved through practical and realistic means.

A unified Cyprus is not a utopia zan, you're making things look harder than they are. Don't forget that it's only been 5 years since Turkey joined the negotiations, her position before was that there is no problem to be solved. So the Annan plan was rejected, so what. There will be others if the people want to. You didn't honestly expect the Greek Cypriots to agree to the first proposal offered to them when they were given nothing for 30 years, did you? Finally, it's not 1964 anymore, the fear of repetition of past events is exaggerated, it's 2007, we live in much more civilized times and Cyprus is an EU member

There were five drafts of the Annan Plan alexISS and if TPap had taken his job seriously and not just working for the full ENOSIS of Cyprus then he could have negotiate a deal that worked...The plan was not just made and put in front of him. He was able to participate but he chose to scam everyone knowing that he would gain entry into the EU without it and then be in a stronger place to threaten Turkey and the TCs that he forgot....

[Beth_Josephine]

No offse but i can't be asked to read through all the pages of the same arguments of TC's and GC's.

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but those Cypriots living on this island, that are 50 yrs plus, speak greek and turkish. I only say this as I have come across it a few times. Those Cypriots that are of greek desent (my old neighbours where i used to live in nicosia), would tell me stories of how they would speak turkish and greek and how they used o have turkish lira too. Now, they lived happily on this island pre 1974 with the mixed culture, even with the pre-history between turkey and greece and they have been able to put the past behind them and get on with life.

So why, is it the younger generation that can not get over the raid or the divide? It strikes me as odd due to it being the generation who were not alive or living in the country at the time of 74, who are the ones stilla rguing over it.

Not picking a fight, just trying to understand a culture that I can only see an outside view on and one that isn't taking either sides but sitting on a fence.

[alexISS]

There were five drafts of the Annan Plan alexISS and if TPap had taken his job seriously and not just working for the full ENOSIS of Cyprus then he could have negotiate a deal that worked...The plan was not just made and put in front of him. He was able to participate but he chose to scam everyone knowing that he would gain entry into the EU without it and then be in a stronger place to threaten Turkey and the TCs that he forgot....

The people didn't vote on five drafts, they voted on the final proposal, which was the only one that was put forward after 30 years of Turkey's denial to aknowledge the problem. I sincerely believe that in 5 years it will be the TCs that will want reunification and the GCs will want partition. The way Turkey changed her tune just when she realized the RoC was going to become a full EU member was too blatant for the Greek Cypriots to ignore, for once in 30 years they had the upper hand and had Turkey cornered, it would be impossible for them to accept the first plan given to them when they knew perfectly well that they could reject it and wait for an improved one, because that's exactly what will happen. Turkey HAS to get rid of the burden of being a country that occupies foreign land.