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[MR-from-NG]

I don't believe for one minute that a solution can be achieved by war. I'm surprised this would be the choice of such intelligent and rational people like GR. Given the choice I'm sure they would choose to sit at the negotiation table rather than fighting at the front-line.

If you go back you'll find that Zan threatened first which triggered my response etc. While a peaceful solution to any problem is always best at the same time we the GCs would like the blackmailing partitionists to note well that we are VERY serious about the liberation and unification of the island and that if the need arises the Republic HAS, CAN, and WILL, use serious firepower unlike in 1974 so let there be no misunderstanding for them.

There is no doubt any race/nation would feel no different to you including us TCs. I do however believe none of the parties involved would want or allow this situation to escalate to an all out blood shedding war.

We are in 2007, you are in the EU. An act of war in this day and age is as likely as me or VP being elected as the President of the RoC.

[Piratis]

Actually there is no evidence, at least to my knowledge, that GCs even fought against the Ottomans beside the Venetians or any evidence that the Ottomans slayed the GCs after their victory in Cyprus for that matter. Feel free to correct me. The rights and privelages the GCs were given by the Ottomans on the other hand were unmatched with what they had previosly and this is acknowledged by anyone who can spell "history".

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

My point exactly. Your source refers to hanging of the "GC"s explicitly, referring to them as "GC"s during the 1821 civil unrest but for the invasion it says "Nicosians" - not "GC"s when it could. Given that Cyprus was Venetian land/country you have no factual basis in your claim that the ones slayed were GCs or that GCs even fought besides the Venetians against the Ottomans. There is not a hint or implication of this in your reference either. Furthermore, it doesn`t make sense because the GCs were given rights and privilages by the Ottomans they never had - openly prooving that the Ottomans had nothing against the GCs at any point. Further comments on how this quotation is to be evaluated has been presented before:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ars#188032

You need to stop lying.

Also according to records that T_C posted, the population of Cyprus during the Ottoman rule had been reduced!!!. 3+ centuries and instead of the population doubling it was actually reduced. This says more than anything else.

But all this aside your problem is far wose... I nor my family murdered no GC. Yet, we are subject to your crimes which you are trying to justify with your Churh-taught historic perversions. where is the sense in that?

The crime is that you illegally occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus and you have ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of people from their homes. Isn't this a crime according to your historic perversions?

The crime you claim hat I am committing is nothing but my desire to securely live here outside the enclaves which you seled me into by force. We were ethnically cleansed into te enclaves and getting out has been our biggest "crime" according to you.

Murataga, Turks have been killing us by the 1000s on every occasion until very recently, so don't try to deny what is obvious.
Do you also deny the Armenian genocide as well by any chance?

You Turks are the biggest liers ever. Never admitting your huge crimes where you kill 10s of thousands and ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands, but always ready to blame others when you have a few 100s of casualties. (in order to use it as an excuse for yet more crimes and illegalities - aparenly the only thing you ever learned how to do well)

[zan]

I don't believe for one minute that a solution can be achieved by war. I'm surprised this would be the choice of such intelligent and rational people like GR. Given the choice I'm sure they would choose to sit at the negotiation table rather than fighting at the front-line.

If you go back you'll find that Zan threatened first which triggered my response etc. While a peaceful solution to any problem is always best at the same time we the GCs would like the blackmailing partitionists to note well that we are VERY serious about the liberation and unification of the island and that if the need arises the Republic HAS, CAN, and WILL, use serious firepower unlike in 1974 so let there be no misunderstanding for them.

I beg your pardon I have never threatened anything. If you continuously misread what write, and I happen to think that it is deliberate, I can't really help you. I am not surprised though because it is the Gr that I recognised a long time ago......I prefer to see people as they are.

[Piratis]

I don't believe for one minute that a solution can be achieved by war. I'm surprised this would be the choice of such intelligent and rational people like GR. Given the choice I'm sure they would choose to sit at the negotiation table rather than fighting at the front-line.

If you go back you'll find that Zan threatened first which triggered my response etc. While a peaceful solution to any problem is always best at the same time we the GCs would like the blackmailing partitionists to note well that we are VERY serious about the liberation and unification of the island and that if the need arises the Republic HAS, CAN, and WILL, use serious firepower unlike in 1974 so let there be no misunderstanding for them.

There is no doubt any race/nation would feel no different to you including us TCs. I do however believe none of the parties involved would want or allow this situation to escalate to an all out blood shedding war.

We are in 2007, you are in the EU. An act of war in this day and age is as likely as me or VP being elected as the President of the RoC.

Mr-From-NG we have war today and for the last 33 years. The war between Cyprus and Turkey, since Turkey is occupying land that belongs to Cyprus. What we have now is cease fire, not peace. So get your facts straight.

[zan]

Actually there is no evidence, at least to my knowledge, that GCs even fought against the Ottomans beside the Venetians or any evidence that the Ottomans slayed the GCs after their victory in Cyprus for that matter. Feel free to correct me. The rights and privelages the GCs were given by the Ottomans on the other hand were unmatched with what they had previosly and this is acknowledged by anyone who can spell "history".

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

My point exactly. Your source refers to hanging of the "GC"s explicitly, referring to them as "GC"s during the 1821 civil unrest but for the invasion it says "Nicosians" - not "GC"s when it could. Given that Cyprus was Venetian land/country you have no factual basis in your claim that the ones slayed were GCs or that GCs even fought besides the Venetians against the Ottomans. There is not a hint or implication of this in your reference either. Furthermore, it doesn`t make sense because the GCs were given rights and privilages by the Ottomans they never had - openly prooving that the Ottomans had nothing against the GCs at any point. Further comments on how this quotation is to be evaluated has been presented before:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ars#188032

You need to stop lying.

Also according to records that T_C posted, the population of Cyprus during the Ottoman rule had been reduced!!!. 3+ centuries and instead of the population doubling it was actually reduced. This says more than anything else.

But all this aside your problem is far wose... I nor my family murdered no GC. Yet, we are subject to your crimes which you are trying to justify with your Churh-taught historic perversions. where is the sense in that?

The crime is that you illegally occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus and you have ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of people from their homes. Isn't this a crime according to your historic perversions?

The crime you claim hat I am committing is nothing but my desire to securely live here outside the enclaves which you seled me into by force. We were ethnically cleansed into te enclaves and getting out has been our biggest "crime" according to you.

Murataga, Turks have been killing us by the 1000s on every occasion until very recently, so don't try to deny what is obvious.
Do you also deny the Armenian genocide as well by any chance?

You Turks are the biggest liers ever. Never admitting your huge crimes where you kill 10s of thousands and ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands, but always ready to blame others when you have a few 100s of casualties. (in order to use it as an excuse for yet more crimes and illegalities - aparenly the only thing you ever learned how to do well)

Back to the old trick of talking over the Tcs heads I see......You wronged the TCs Piratis and we can see over and over again that you chose to ignore that fact and subject us to more of the same.......You will never get the chance. You are in the EU now and a small little puppy that will have to do as she is told...See you there!!!

[Piratis]

Zan, nobody is perfect. We might have wronged the TC once, you have wronged as 100 times more. So how does that excuse you to wrong us even more?

I don't want to wrong you in any way, what I want is my rights and our land. You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities.

[zan]

Zan, nobody is perfect. We might have wronged the TC once, you have wronged as 100 times more. So how does that excuse you to wrong us even more?

I don't want to wrong you in any way, what I want is my rights and our land. You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities.

Take that up with the Ottomans. We, the Turkish Cypriots signed a document that saw the very first republic on the island. That has been destroyed by GC cousins and made to look unworkable by the Akritas Plan. It did not work all over the island.....

[MR-from-NG]

I don't believe for one minute that a solution can be achieved by war. I'm surprised this would be the choice of such intelligent and rational people like GR. Given the choice I'm sure they would choose to sit at the negotiation table rather than fighting at the front-line.

If you go back you'll find that Zan threatened first which triggered my response etc. While a peaceful solution to any problem is always best at the same time we the GCs would like the blackmailing partitionists to note well that we are VERY serious about the liberation and unification of the island and that if the need arises the Republic HAS, CAN, and WILL, use serious firepower unlike in 1974 so let there be no misunderstanding for them.

There is no doubt any race/nation would feel no different to you including us TCs. I do however believe none of the parties involved would want or allow this situation to escalate to an all out blood shedding war.

We are in 2007, you are in the EU. An act of war in this day and age is as likely as me or VP being elected as the President of the RoC.

Mr-From-NG we have war today and for the last 33 years. The war between Cyprus and Turkey, since Turkey is occupying land that belongs to Cyprus. What we have now is cease fire, not peace. So get your facts straight.

Don't worry Piratis I know the facts. This is one perfect example of how different we are and how difficult reunification will be.

For us the war ended in 1974, we are experiencing the type of peace we could only dream of.

You on the other hand look on this date as the beginning of war, one that continues for you and you have the audacity to say it is in a sate of "cease fire", I say bollocks. Why don't you print this fact on your holiday brochures then? Tell your potential tourists that the holiday they are about to book is in fact in a war zone. You are a joke. Intelligent well educated you may be but you sometimes act like a circus clown.

[zan]

I don't believe for one minute that a solution can be achieved by war. I'm surprised this would be the choice of such intelligent and rational people like GR. Given the choice I'm sure they would choose to sit at the negotiation table rather than fighting at the front-line.

If you go back you'll find that Zan threatened first which triggered my response etc. While a peaceful solution to any problem is always best at the same time we the GCs would like the blackmailing partitionists to note well that we are VERY serious about the liberation and unification of the island and that if the need arises the Republic HAS, CAN, and WILL, use serious firepower unlike in 1974 so let there be no misunderstanding for them.

There is no doubt any race/nation would feel no different to you including us TCs. I do however believe none of the parties involved would want or allow this situation to escalate to an all out blood shedding war.

We are in 2007, you are in the EU. An act of war in this day and age is as likely as me or VP being elected as the President of the RoC.

Mr-From-NG we have war today and for the last 33 years. The war between Cyprus and Turkey, since Turkey is occupying land that belongs to Cyprus. What we have now is cease fire, not peace. So get your facts straight.

Don't worry Piratis I know the facts. This is one perfect example of how different we are and how difficult reunification will be.

For us the war ended in 1974, we are experiencing the type of peace we could only dream of.

You on the other hand look on this date as the beginning of war, one that continues for you and you have the audacity to say it is in a sate of "cease fire", I say bollocks. Why don't you print this fact on your holiday brochures then? Tell your potential tourists that the holiday they are about to book is in fact in a war zone. You are a joke. Intelligent well educated you may be but you sometimes act like a circus clown.

I always wondered why the minister of tourism has not yet had a word with him????

[Piratis]

Zan, nobody is perfect. We might have wronged the TC once, you have wronged as 100 times more. So how does that excuse you to wrong us even more?

I don't want to wrong you in any way, what I want is my rights and our land. You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities.

Take that up with the Ottomans. We, the Turkish Cypriots signed a document that saw the very first republic on the island. That has been destroyed by GC cousins and made to look unworkable by the Akritas Plan. It did not work all over the island.....

Zan, according to your own history those Ottomans were the "nucleus of the TC community". And the 1960 agreements didn't work as they should due to your own partition aims as well. So don't try to avoid your share of blame, which if you count the whole history, including today and the last 33 years, it is WAY more on your side than on our. So based on what you demand to wrong us even more?