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[Murataga]

We had no choice my ancestors were all born here just like yours...but our history dictates that we do not trust each other and therefore safeguards are necessary to ensure we cannot dominate each other and for example a GC president is not always elected as its the GCs who show signs of racism as they will 100% vote along ethnic lines, eben if the TC candidate was the better man for the job. how will you stop this?

You ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of people simply because they are of Greek origin and then you say that GCs are the racists?

Look mate, you came here to enslave and dominate us, and thats what you did for 3+ centuries. So now we want the freedom of our island. You are welcome to stay in this island as equal citizen, but not as our rulers to impose on Cyprus your will via undemocratic means. We do not live in the Ottoman era anymore.

And I am sure that TCs like Bir and Kikapu would be voted by many GCs. In the recent parliamentary elections the only TC candidate got way more votes than the TC voters. Actually she got the most votes in her party, more than any of the GC candiates of that party.
So your arguments don't hold water.

We took our country back after decades of persecution and racist murders mate and that resulted in separation...If you had not started this shit then we would have a Cyprus and not two states so stop your worthless sentimental crap about a thousand years ago and deal with the ones that suffered at your hands...Me and all the Tcs on this forum and thousands more.......If ever I heard a lame excuse and grasping at straws, this has got to be it.....You chased me from my country at gunpoint and persecuted those that stayed..The world is not silly enough to believe your sentimental claptrap any more...

Yet more lies from Zan. What 1000 years Zan? 1000 years ago you were somewhere in Mongolia eating roots. 430 years ago you came and you continue your crimes until today. Is Today 1000 years ago Zan?
You murdered 10s of thousands of people and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands and then you blame us because we tried to defend our island from the foreign invadors and those who oppressed us?

Actually there is no evidence, at least to my knowledge, that GCs even fought against the Ottomans beside the Venetians or any evidence that the Ottomans slayed the GCs after their victory in Cyprus for that matter. Feel free to correct me. The rights and privelages the GCs were given by the Ottomans on the other hand were unmatched with what they had previosly and this is acknowledged by anyone who can spell "history".

But all this aside your problem is far wose... I nor my family murdered no GC. Yet, we are subject to your crimes which you are trying to justify with your Churh-taught historic perversions. where is the sense in that?

[Viewpoint]

Sure we had no say, you didn't let us have one. I am not going back 400 years ago only. You oppression continued 300 and 200 and just over 100 years ago, and after a small break you started all over again, and you continue until today and for the last 3+ decades.

If you wanted to separate "2 naughty children" then you should have gone back from where you came from and all problems would be over. Or maybe ethnic cleansing is OK only when it is about you stealing our land?

Have those 2 naughty children made up? have they reconciled hteir differences? will the older and stronger child stop thumping the younger one? what guarantees r there?

Well lets see. you killed many 10s of thousands of Cypriots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands. You oppressed us for centuries, including the last 3+ decades that you illegally occupy our lands. What have we done to you? (and we wouldn't, if you hadn't invade our island in the first place) A drop in the ocean compared to what you did and continue doing to us now. Right?

So don't try to hide your gross crimes behind "2 naughty children" and such. Admit the truth: Cyprus has been oppressed by Turks for centuries and we had enough of it. We want the liberation of our island and we will fight for it.

Feel free we'll be waiting. You are acting like one of those naughty children so your actions only confirm that those 2 naughty children should stay divided. Well done.

[Get Real!]

We took our country back after decades of persecution and racist murders mate and that resulted in separation...

If it doesn’t come willingly we too are planning on taking our country back after our ethnic cleansing from it Zan and unfortunately it looks like your children or your children’s children will pay the price sometime in the future as you are seemingly passing the problem on to them thinking that the problem is now solved while hiding behind Turkey.

You must be very stupid or naive to assume that the indigenous people of this country will ever accept any of your Turkish illegalities. We cannot and do not forget Zanny and perhaps decades from now if we are still alive you'll remember my words albeit too late.

Yet another one with empty threats, do you worst but dont expect anyone to take it lieing down they to will fight back just like 1974.

In 1974 there was no fight but a slaughter of Greek Cypriots which I witnessed but the next time you hear those sirens go off you'll know that this time it's a REAL fight and any pending problems will HAVE to be settled once and for all for there can only be one Cyprus... either Muslim or Christian.

[Piratis]

Actually there is no evidence, at least to my knowledge, that GCs even fought against the Ottomans beside the Venetians or any evidence that the Ottomans slayed the GCs after their victory in Cyprus for that matter. Feel free to correct me. The rights and privelages the GCs were given by the Ottomans on the other hand were unmatched with what they had previosly and this is acknowledged by anyone who can spell "history".

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

Also according to records that T_C posted, the population of Cyprus during the Ottoman rule had been reduced!!!. 3+ centuries and instead of the population doubling it was actually reduced. This says more than anything else.

But all this aside your problem is far wose... I nor my family murdered no GC. Yet, we are subject to your crimes which you are trying to justify with your Churh-taught historic perversions. where is the sense in that?

The crime is that you illegally occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus and you have ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of people from their homes. Isn't this a crime according to your historic perversions?

[Viewpoint]

We took our country back after decades of persecution and racist murders mate and that resulted in separation...

If it doesn’t come willingly we too are planning on taking our country back after our ethnic cleansing from it Zan and unfortunately it looks like your children or your children’s children will pay the price sometime in the future as you are seemingly passing the problem on to them thinking that the problem is now solved while hiding behind Turkey.

You must be very stupid or naive to assume that the indigenous people of this country will ever accept any of your Turkish illegalities. We cannot and do not forget Zanny and perhaps decades from now if we are still alive you'll remember my words albeit too late.

Yet another one with empty threats, do you worst but dont expect anyone to take it lieing down they to will fight back just like 1974.

In 1974 there was no fight but a slaughter of Greek Cypriots which I witnessed but the next time you hear those sirens go off you'll know that this time it's a REAL fight and any pending problems will HAVE to be settled once and for all for there can only be one Cyprus... either Muslim or Christian.

Well be waiting with our 40.000 troops a drop in the ocean compared to the 1.000.000 Turkish troops waiting only 40 miles away.

[Get Real!]

We took our country back after decades of persecution and racist murders mate and that resulted in separation...

If it doesn’t come willingly we too are planning on taking our country back after our ethnic cleansing from it Zan and unfortunately it looks like your children or your children’s children will pay the price sometime in the future as you are seemingly passing the problem on to them thinking that the problem is now solved while hiding behind Turkey.

You must be very stupid or naive to assume that the indigenous people of this country will ever accept any of your Turkish illegalities. We cannot and do not forget Zanny and perhaps decades from now if we are still alive you'll remember my words albeit too late.

Yet another one with empty threats, do you worst but dont expect anyone to take it lieing down they to will fight back just like 1974.

In 1974 there was no fight but a slaughter of Greek Cypriots which I witnessed but the next time you hear those sirens go off you'll know that this time it's a REAL fight and any pending problems will HAVE to be settled once and for all for there can only be one Cyprus... either Muslim or Christian.

Well be waiting with our 40.000 troops a drop in the ocean compared to the 1.000.000 Turkish troops waiting only 40 miles away.

The problem is that it may not be in the configuration you seemingly feel so comfortable with.

[Viewpoint]

We took our country back after decades of persecution and racist murders mate and that resulted in separation...

If it doesn’t come willingly we too are planning on taking our country back after our ethnic cleansing from it Zan and unfortunately it looks like your children or your children’s children will pay the price sometime in the future as you are seemingly passing the problem on to them thinking that the problem is now solved while hiding behind Turkey.

You must be very stupid or naive to assume that the indigenous people of this country will ever accept any of your Turkish illegalities. We cannot and do not forget Zanny and perhaps decades from now if we are still alive you'll remember my words albeit too late.

Yet another one with empty threats, do you worst but dont expect anyone to take it lieing down they to will fight back just like 1974.

In 1974 there was no fight but a slaughter of Greek Cypriots which I witnessed but the next time you hear those sirens go off you'll know that this time it's a REAL fight and any pending problems will HAVE to be settled once and for all for there can only be one Cyprus... either Muslim or Christian.

Well be waiting with our 40.000 troops a drop in the ocean compared to the 1.000.000 Turkish troops waiting only 40 miles away.

The problem is that it may not be in the configuration you seemingly feel so comfortable with.

Ok let rip...but dont complian afterwards like you did after 1974, you start something you have to take the consequencies.

[Murataga]

Actually there is no evidence, at least to my knowledge, that GCs even fought against the Ottomans beside the Venetians or any evidence that the Ottomans slayed the GCs after their victory in Cyprus for that matter. Feel free to correct me. The rights and privelages the GCs were given by the Ottomans on the other hand were unmatched with what they had previosly and this is acknowledged by anyone who can spell "history".

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

My point exactly. Your source refers to hanging of the "GC"s explicitly, referring to them as "GC"s during the 1821 civil unrest but for the invasion it says "Nicosians" - not "GC"s when it could. Given that Cyprus was Venetian land/country you have no factual basis in your claim that the ones slayed were GCs or that GCs even fought besides the Venetians against the Ottomans. There is not a hint or implication of this in your reference either. Furthermore, it doesn`t make sense because the GCs were given rights and privilages by the Ottomans they never had - openly prooving that the Ottomans had nothing against the GCs at any point. Further comments on how this quotation is to be evaluated has been presented before:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ars#188032

You need to stop lying.

Also according to records that T_C posted, the population of Cyprus during the Ottoman rule had been reduced!!!. 3+ centuries and instead of the population doubling it was actually reduced. This says more than anything else.

But all this aside your problem is far wose... I nor my family murdered no GC. Yet, we are subject to your crimes which you are trying to justify with your Churh-taught historic perversions. where is the sense in that?

The crime is that you illegally occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus and you have ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of people from their homes. Isn't this a crime according to your historic perversions?

The crime you claim hat I am committing is nothing but my desire to securely live here outside the enclaves which you seled me into by force. We were ethnically cleansed into te enclaves and getting out has been our biggest "crime" according to you.

[MR-from-NG]

We took our country back after decades of persecution and racist murders mate and that resulted in separation...

If it doesn’t come willingly we too are planning on taking our country back after our ethnic cleansing from it Zan and unfortunately it looks like your children or your children’s children will pay the price sometime in the future as you are seemingly passing the problem on to them thinking that the problem is now solved while hiding behind Turkey.

You must be very stupid or naive to assume that the indigenous people of this country will ever accept any of your Turkish illegalities. We cannot and do not forget Zanny and perhaps decades from now if we are still alive you'll remember my words albeit too late.

Yet another one with empty threats, do you worst but dont expect anyone to take it lieing down they to will fight back just like 1974.

In 1974 there was no fight but a slaughter of Greek Cypriots which I witnessed but the next time you hear those sirens go off you'll know that this time it's a REAL fight and any pending problems will HAVE to be settled once and for all for there can only be one Cyprus... either Muslim or Christian.

Well be waiting with our 40.000 troops a drop in the ocean compared to the 1.000.000 Turkish troops waiting only 40 miles away.

The problem is that it may not be in the configuration you seemingly feel so comfortable with.

Ok let rip...but dont complian afterwards like you did after 1974, you start something you have to take the consequencies.

I don't believe for one minute that a solution can be achieved by war. I'm surprised this would be the choice of such intelligent and rational people like GR. Given the choice I'm sure they would choose to sit at the negotiation table rather than fighting at the front-line.

[Get Real!]

I don't believe for one minute that a solution can be achieved by war. I'm surprised this would be the choice of such intelligent and rational people like GR. Given the choice I'm sure they would choose to sit at the negotiation table rather than fighting at the front-line.

If you go back you'll find that Zan threatened first which triggered my response etc. While a peaceful solution to any problem is always best at the same time we the GCs would like the blackmailing partitionists to note well that we are VERY serious about the liberation and unification of the island and that if the need arises the Republic HAS, CAN, and WILL, use serious firepower unlike in 1974 so let there be no misunderstanding for them.