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[denizaksulu]

An anonymous document can not verify anything. What is verified is what we all know about with or without some anonymous document. For example the map of partitioned Cyprus that Kucuk officially proposed back in 1957 clearly showed the plans that Turks had for Cyprus since then. Apparently you have not changed your aim.

In defence of what is the question.......ENOSIS perhaps.....ENOSIS was not an option so plans were made in case......A bit different to the Akritas Plan which tried to manipulate the situation so ENOSIS was achievable. We have always been against ENOSIS...Where is the surprise in that...

On the contrary, back in 1957 when Kucuk was publishing maps of partition, Enosis has been our right, which was denied to us by the colonialists. On the other hand, partition, which involves the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people, has never been a legitimate option.

Go here and read the resolution about decolonization. There you will find that "integration into an independent State" was one of "the three legitimate options" for a territory that is decolonized if this is what the population of that territory choices in a democratic way.

The colonialists and the former rulers Turks have used force to deny to the Cypriot people their right.

Piratis, you keep on mentioning these Partition maps. But what do you expect when we knew all along your intentions of 'Enosis'. Contingency plans would have to be made to counteract these notions of Enosis, your rights or not. No sensible person would really believe in Partition but that is where you are driving us.

Regards Have a nice day

[zan]

An anonymous document can not verify anything. What is verified is what we all know about with or without some anonymous document. For example the map of partitioned Cyprus that Kucuk officially proposed back in 1957 clearly showed the plans that Turks had for Cyprus since then. Apparently you have not changed your aim.

In defence of what is the question.......ENOSIS perhaps.....ENOSIS was not an option so plans were made in case......A bit different to the Akritas Plan which tried to manipulate the situation so ENOSIS was achievable. We have always been against ENOSIS...Where is the surprise in that...

On the contrary, back in 1957 when Kucuk was publishing maps of partition, Enosis has been our right, which was denied to us by the colonialists. On the other hand, partition, which involves the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people, has never been a legitimate option.

Go here and read the resolution about decolonization. There you will find that "integration into an independent State" was one of "the three legitimate options" for a territory that is decolonized if this is what the population of that territory choices in a democratic way.

The colonialists and the former rulers Turks have used force to deny to the Cypriot people their right.

Piratis, you keep on mentioning these Partition maps. But what do you expect when we knew all along your intentions of 'Enosis'. Contingency plans would have to be made to counteract these notions of Enosis, your rights or not. No sensible person would really believe in Partition but that is where you are driving us.

Regards Have a nice day

I think that that is what really surprised them...They think so highly of them selves that they underestimated the fact that we could actually think...Lead by "Makarios the vein" I suppose that it would come naturally....

[relatino]

And the topic ended up discussing past events. By the way, I think the turkish position is a little "naive":

1) They say they feel threatened being a 18% and they should have some "guarantees" since they are a minority. The funny thing is that most of the forum's turkish members live in the UK, Australia or some west country where they don't even reach the 1%. So... how can they live in these places without fearing for their lives at any moment? (Or do they have a x40 voting power?)

2) They say that not too long ago they were killing each other and that the story will repeat itself and blah blah blah... Not too long ago in Germany jews were hunted down like animals and in a place called South Africa the whites treated blacks like inferior beings... Nowadays the jewish community in Germany is growing and growing and Southafricans work together side by side... Funny isn't it?

3) Ok, let's say for a moment the GC's are bloodthirsty dogs who want to exterminate all turks from cypriot land. Does anybody here really think that the EU would allow that? Some seem to think that the EU is a useless bureocratic organism, but like it or not it works. And it works waaaaay better than maaaaaany other organizations in the world. The Cyprus Goverment would simply not risk their future and membership in the club just for that, not at all.

4) And I always hear that the TC's interests will be deeply affected. Well, what are those interests they talk about all day? I mean, last time I checked up, any normal average person wanted something like this: a job, some money to eat, take care of the family, live in a decent place and have some free time to relax. In which way that could be affected? I got no idea.

[zan]

And the topic ended up discussing past events. By the way, I think the turkish position is a little "naive":

1) They say they feel threatened being a 18% and they should have some "guarantees" since they are a minority. The funny thing is that most of the forum's turkish members live in the UK, Australia or some west country where they don't even reach the 1%. So... how can they live in these places without fearing for their lives at any moment? (Or do they have a x40 voting power?)

2) They say that not too long ago they were killing each other and that the story will repeat itself and blah blah blah... Not too long ago in Germany jews were hunted down like animals and in a place called South Africa the whites treated blacks like inferior beings... Nowadays the jewish community in Germany is growing and growing and Southafricans work together side by side... Funny isn't it?

3) Ok, let's say for a moment the GC's are bloodthirsty dogs who want to exterminate all turks from cypriot land. Does anybody here really think that the EU would allow that? Some seem to think that the EU is a useless bureocratic organism, but like it or not it works. And it works waaaaay better than maaaaaany other organizations in the world. The Cyprus Goverment would simply not risk their future and membership in the club just for that, not at all.

4) And I always hear that the TC's interests will be deeply affected. Well, what are those interests they talk about all day? I mean, last time I checked up, any normal average person wanted something like this: a job, some money to eat, take care of the family, live in a decent place and have some free time to relax. In which way that could be affected? I got no idea.

You forgot liberty on your shopping list........Those other countries are not my place of birth and have not persecuted me and mine...When and if they do I will react accordingly.......God only knows how much I wish the "RoC" were like the UK or Australia.....

[boomerang]

"RoC" were like the UK or Australia.....

hold on to that thought because in a short time it will be and then you will come with a different excuse to justify ethnic cleansing...like 1tcs vote must equal to 20gcs votes... your track record speaks volumes...

you back doored us in 74'...the same people that were fighting against enosis, your own nightmare...why didin't you help then?...if you did today we would have been like the UK and Australia...

btw...you don't think we did enough to the aboriginals...you don't see them hate us...and wanting partition...any other excuse?

[zan]

"RoC" were like the UK or Australia.....

hold on to that thought because in a short time it will be and then you will come with a different excuse to justify ethnic cleansing...like 1tcs vote must equal to 20gcs votes... your track record speaks volumes...

you back doored us in 74'...the same people that were fighting against enosis, your own nightmare...why didin't you help then?...if you did today we would have been like the UK and Australia...

btw...you don't think we did enough to the aboriginals...you don't see them hate us...and wanting partition...any other excuse?

OH YEAH.....Walks up to the Greeks and asks "friend or foe?....Right to the right please and take one gun per person please...Hand grenades will be issued shortly"


After the coup your Makarios did not change a single bit of his agenda so that we could go back to the Zurich agreement. What the hell were we supposed to do.....Anyway


I have to go to work now....See you later.

Stop the threats....They are not going to work...We will make the TRNC/KKTC work without you......That is a promise.

[boomerang]

"RoC" were like the UK or Australia.....

hold on to that thought because in a short time it will be and then you will come with a different excuse to justify ethnic cleansing...like 1tcs vote must equal to 20gcs votes... your track record speaks volumes...

you back doored us in 74'...the same people that were fighting against enosis, your own nightmare...why didin't you help then?...if you did today we would have been like the UK and Australia...

btw...you don't think we did enough to the aboriginals...you don't see them hate us...and wanting partition...any other excuse?

OH YEAH.....Walks up to the Greeks and asks "friend or foe?....Right to the right please and take one gun per person please...Hand grenades will be issued shortly"


After the coup your Makarios did not change a single bit of his agenda so that we could go back to the Zurich agreement. What the hell were we supposed to do.....Anyway


I have to go to work now....See you later.

Stop the threats....They are not going to work...We will make the TRNC/KKTC work without you......That is a promise.

after the coup turkey didn't give anyone a chance Zan...you know this

Don't take it personal but the threats are there...no one will accept partition and gifting their land to you...you have to be realistic about this and expect one day...what you took by force expect it to be taken back by force...just like the UK and the falklands...they didn't gift the islands to Argintina and said good luck boys...they took it back by force...

and good luck with making it work...I just don't what talat tells everyone when they ask him about this ethnic cleansing thing...

I am amazed tthat you people are so much brainwashed that you actually believe anyone is gonna give you recognition and while you are screwing the only country that looked after you...turkey...

the only thing you will get will be annexation and that will spell the end of the tcs... :

come to think of it your backdooring your own now...do i hear the boomerang effect?...what goes around comes around?

and what time do you start work?...you are not skimping are you?

[humanist]

VP

Lets hear from Gcs on how they view our role in a united Cyprus. Lets start with a clean page and see what GCs will put forward on how they feel we shoudl fit into a united Cyprus.

Maybe this will help clear a few preconcieved ideas or reconfirm them..the ball is in your court.

Hey VP how are you? I see all Cypriots as eual in alll aspects of Cypriot life and I am more determine than ever having just crossed the crossing to the rest of my country. The only thing that that I foud unecessary and offensive were the flags both of them and the ataturk statutes everywhere and ofcourse having to show my ID card..

I actually enjoyed the streets the language and the children playing in the streets. It reminded me of what Cyprus used to be. anyway chat soon

take care my friend.

[T_C]

Andreas I'm so happy you crossed over!!!!!!

[halil]

VP

Lets hear from Gcs on how they view our role in a united Cyprus. Lets start with a clean page and see what GCs will put forward on how they feel we shoudl fit into a united Cyprus.

Maybe this will help clear a few preconcieved ideas or reconfirm them..the ball is in your court.

Hey VP how are you? I see all Cypriots as eual in alll aspects of Cypriot life and I am more determine than ever having just crossed the crossing to the rest of my country. The only thing that that I foud unecessary and offensive were the flags both of them and the ataturk statutes everywhere and ofcourse having to show my ID card..

I actually enjoyed the streets the language and the children playing in the streets. It reminded me of what Cyprus used to be. anyway chat soon

take care my friend.

Humanist,
Are u still in Cyprus ? İf u are i would like to meet u.
i would not around between 12-14 october.
send me PM.