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[zan]

Zan, nobody is perfect. We might have wronged the TC once, you have wronged as 100 times more. So how does that excuse you to wrong us even more?

I don't want to wrong you in any way, what I want is my rights and our land. You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities.

Take that up with the Ottomans. We, the Turkish Cypriots signed a document that saw the very first republic on the island. That has been destroyed by GC cousins and made to look unworkable by the Akritas Plan. It did not work all over the island.....

Zan, according to your own history those Ottomans were the "nucleus of the TC community". And the 1960 agreements didn't work as they should due to your own partition aims as well. So don't try to avoid your share of blame, which if you count the whole history, including today and the last 33 years, it is WAY more on your side than on our. So based on what you demand to wrong us even more?

We didn't write the Akritas Plan and by the very words written in it we reacted accordingly. We did not then go on to elect the man that wrote it and is seeing it through to the end. They expected us to react and we did...It's all there in the Akritas Plan....

[Piratis]

I don't believe for one minute that a solution can be achieved by war. I'm surprised this would be the choice of such intelligent and rational people like GR. Given the choice I'm sure they would choose to sit at the negotiation table rather than fighting at the front-line.

If you go back you'll find that Zan threatened first which triggered my response etc. While a peaceful solution to any problem is always best at the same time we the GCs would like the blackmailing partitionists to note well that we are VERY serious about the liberation and unification of the island and that if the need arises the Republic HAS, CAN, and WILL, use serious firepower unlike in 1974 so let there be no misunderstanding for them.

There is no doubt any race/nation would feel no different to you including us TCs. I do however believe none of the parties involved would want or allow this situation to escalate to an all out blood shedding war.

We are in 2007, you are in the EU. An act of war in this day and age is as likely as me or VP being elected as the President of the RoC.

Mr-From-NG we have war today and for the last 33 years. The war between Cyprus and Turkey, since Turkey is occupying land that belongs to Cyprus. What we have now is cease fire, not peace. So get your facts straight.

Don't worry Piratis I know the facts. This is one perfect example of how different we are and how difficult reunification will be.

For us the war ended in 1974, we are experiencing the type of peace we could only dream of.

You on the other hand look on this date as the beginning of war, one that continues for you and you have the audacity to say it is in a sate of "cease fire", I say bollocks. Why don't you print this fact on your holiday brochures then? Tell your potential tourists that the holiday they are about to book is in fact in a war zone. You are a joke. Intelligent well educated you may be but you sometimes act like a circus clown.

Mr-From-Ng, I simply stated to you a simple fact. What we have today is a cease-fire. There is war between Cyprus and Turkey because Turkey is occupying 1/3rd of our country.


Since you talked about maps, here is one from the UN. See the cease-fire lines clearly marked?

http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/ma ... nficyp.pdf

[Piratis]

Zan, nobody is perfect. We might have wronged the TC once, you have wronged as 100 times more. So how does that excuse you to wrong us even more?

I don't want to wrong you in any way, what I want is my rights and our land. You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities.

Take that up with the Ottomans. We, the Turkish Cypriots signed a document that saw the very first republic on the island. That has been destroyed by GC cousins and made to look unworkable by the Akritas Plan. It did not work all over the island.....

Zan, according to your own history those Ottomans were the "nucleus of the TC community". And the 1960 agreements didn't work as they should due to your own partition aims as well. So don't try to avoid your share of blame, which if you count the whole history, including today and the last 33 years, it is WAY more on your side than on our. So based on what you demand to wrong us even more?

We didn't write the Akritas Plan and by the very words written in it we reacted accordingly. We did not then go on to elect the man that wrote it and is seeing it through to the end. They expected us to react and we did...It's all there in the Akritas Plan....

You killed 10s of thousands of people, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands and then you talk about some anonymous document as your excuse?

[zan]

Zan, nobody is perfect. We might have wronged the TC once, you have wronged as 100 times more. So how does that excuse you to wrong us even more?

I don't want to wrong you in any way, what I want is my rights and our land. You are the ones who insist on crimes and illegalities.

Take that up with the Ottomans. We, the Turkish Cypriots signed a document that saw the very first republic on the island. That has been destroyed by GC cousins and made to look unworkable by the Akritas Plan. It did not work all over the island.....

Zan, according to your own history those Ottomans were the "nucleus of the TC community". And the 1960 agreements didn't work as they should due to your own partition aims as well. So don't try to avoid your share of blame, which if you count the whole history, including today and the last 33 years, it is WAY more on your side than on our. So based on what you demand to wrong us even more?

We didn't write the Akritas Plan and by the very words written in it we reacted accordingly. We did not then go on to elect the man that wrote it and is seeing it through to the end. They expected us to react and we did...It's all there in the Akritas Plan....

You killed 10s of thousands of people, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands and then you talk about some anonymous document as your excuse?

There is nothing anonymous about it Piratis...The actions are there for all to see...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13697


Wait for the second installment.....

[Piratis]

So you wrote it? Thats what your source tells me. Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:54 am by Zan.

[zan]

So you wrote it? Thats what your source tells me. Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:54 am by Zan.

I didn't write it...I copied and pasted it....There are tens of examples all over the Internet so you cannot dismiss it that easily...Especially with the actions and the dead written in history.....Nice try

[Piratis]

During history 10s of thousands of GCs died, and a few 100s of TCs. What I said to you is that document you copy/paste around is just an anonymous document and nothing more. It can not excuse your crimes and illegalities.

[zan]

During history 10s of thousands of GCs died, and a few 100s of TCs. What I said to you is that document you copy/paste around is just an anonymous document and nothing more. It can not excuse your crimes and illegalities.

But it verifies yours.......

[Piratis]

An anonymous document can not verify anything. What is verified is what we all know about with or without some anonymous document. For example the map of partitioned Cyprus that Kucuk officially proposed back in 1957 clearly showed the plans that Turks had for Cyprus since then. Apparently you have not changed your aim.

[zan]

An anonymous document can not verify anything. What is verified is what we all know about with or without some anonymous document. For example the map of partitioned Cyprus that Kucuk officially proposed back in 1957 clearly showed the plans that Turks had for Cyprus since then. Apparently you have not changed your aim.

In defence of what is the question.......ENOSIS perhaps.....ENOSIS was not an option so plans were made in case......A bit different to the Akritas Plan which tried to manipulate the situation so ENOSIS was achievable. We have always been against ENOSIS...Where is the surprise in that...