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[boomerang]

Every Cypriot citizen should be equal without racist discriminations. Beyond that each Cypriot's role will depend on what he or she will do, and the limit is only the law and the each persons capabilities.

If TCs do not accept the role of equal Cypriot citizens, but they want to be the "super citizens" who are above all others just because they are Turkish, then obviously the rest of Cypriots will not accept it such racist discriminations.

Lets go down this avenue and see where it would lead us, on paper we are all equal citizens one man one vote, the whole island is one, no divisions, every ones property rights are restored one way or another and we have kicked the Turkish army out. The 80% balance in favor of the GCs would automatically ensure that and political party formed by the GCs would get a whopping big chunk of the vote that would bring them to power. How will we ge our voice heard through GC MPs, how will we stop any decisions that will according to us influence TCs negatively, forcing us to go against our will? How will we stop discrimination which will run rife and how will we ensure equal opportunity when the government body is run by GCs. TCs feel due to past and present GC expertise in making black white and white black that they will rot in the corridors of the ECHR trying to get their even most basic of rights due to the power the GCs will have over them using their numerical superiority.

Well put.

I think you have selective memory...Kifeas already gave you an arrangement that you gladly agreed...

So why are you asking stupid questions?

But if go down the road of one person one vote...then you will have to tow the party line as parties will be made of a variety of people...

Ask yourself this question...why do the turkish in Greece mainly vote Greek people rather than their own?...coz they are choosing the best man for the job...

Get over it

[DT.]

Every Cypriot citizen should be equal without racist discriminations. Beyond that each Cypriot's role will depend on what he or she will do, and the limit is only the law and the each persons capabilities.

If TCs do not accept the role of equal Cypriot citizens, but they want to be the "super citizens" who are above all others just because they are Turkish, then obviously the rest of Cypriots will not accept it such racist discriminations.

Lets go down this avenue and see where it would lead us, on paper we are all equal citizens one man one vote, the whole island is one, no divisions, every ones property rights are restored one way or another and we have kicked the Turkish army out. The 80% balance in favor of the GCs would automatically ensure that and political party formed by the GCs would get a whopping big chunk of the vote that would bring them to power. How will we ge our voice heard through GC MPs, how will we stop any decisions that will according to us influence TCs negatively, forcing us to go against our will? How will we stop discrimination which will run rife and how will we ensure equal opportunity when the government body is run by GCs. TCs feel due to past and present GC expertise in making black white and white black that they will rot in the corridors of the ECHR trying to get their even most basic of rights due to the power the GCs will have over them using their numerical superiority.

Well put.

I think you have selective memory...Kifeas already gave you an arrangement that you gladly agreed...

So why are you asking stupid questions?

But if go down the road of one person one vote...then you will have to tow the party line as parties will be made of a variety of people...

Ask yourself this question...why do the turkish in Greece mainly vote Greek people rather than their own?...coz they are choosing the best man for the job...

Get over it

If the political parties are mixed as they should be and they unite like the rest of the island then how do you know?

How many Armenians are there and one of them is heading up the ruling party?

[boomerang]

do you think vips will ever get it?

[zan]

Every Cypriot citizen should be equal without racist discriminations. Beyond that each Cypriot's role will depend on what he or she will do, and the limit is only the law and the each persons capabilities.

If TCs do not accept the role of equal Cypriot citizens, but they want to be the "super citizens" who are above all others just because they are Turkish, then obviously the rest of Cypriots will not accept it such racist discriminations.

Lets go down this avenue and see where it would lead us, on paper we are all equal citizens one man one vote, the whole island is one, no divisions, every ones property rights are restored one way or another and we have kicked the Turkish army out. The 80% balance in favor of the GCs would automatically ensure that and political party formed by the GCs would get a whopping big chunk of the vote that would bring them to power. How will we ge our voice heard through GC MPs, how will we stop any decisions that will according to us influence TCs negatively, forcing us to go against our will? How will we stop discrimination which will run rife and how will we ensure equal opportunity when the government body is run by GCs. TCs feel due to past and present GC expertise in making black white and white black that they will rot in the corridors of the ECHR trying to get their even most basic of rights due to the power the GCs will have over them using their numerical superiority.

Well put.

I think you have selective memory...Kifeas already gave you an arrangement that you gladly agreed...

So why are you asking stupid questions?

But if go down the road of one person one vote...then you will have to tow the party line as parties will be made of a variety of people...

Ask yourself this question...why do the turkish in Greece mainly vote Greek people rather than their own?...coz they are choosing the best man for the job...

Get over it

If the political parties are mixed as they should be and they unite like the rest of the island then how do you know?

How many Armenians are there and one of them is heading up the ruling party?

As long as you have no problem with the island being Greek then there is no problem......We don't



Can any Armenians on the island tell us if they have ever had this experience...


"Where are you from"

"Cyprus"

"Oh! You must be Armenian then"........







No!.......I didn't think so.

[Viewpoint]

Strange question,

What is the role of New Yorkers and Californians in America? The role of French and German Swiss in Switzerland?

The EU is there to ensure we follow its rules in everything, including intercommunal affairs.

Not strange at all from a TC perspective...you people are the numerical majority so we will in fact be at your mercy as it will purely up to GC parties if they wish yo unite with TC parties as they hold 80% of the vote and if they desire can form purely GC parties that will attract the majority of GC votes to bring them to power, where does that leave us? I don't think you have the answer that's why you avoid the question, you feel the Cyprus has the political maturity for voters not to vote along ethnic lines and I express my concern that we are a million miles away from this maturity and seeing I am the community at risk I have to get clarifications otherwise I cannot move forward and feel secure in a united Cyprus where to many questions are left unanswered and everything is left to chance.

[Piratis]

Every Cypriot citizen should be equal without racist discriminations. Beyond that each Cypriot's role will depend on what he or she will do, and the limit is only the law and the each persons capabilities.

If TCs do not accept the role of equal Cypriot citizens, but they want to be the "super citizens" who are above all others just because they are Turkish, then obviously the rest of Cypriots will not accept it such racist discriminations.

Lets go down this avenue and see where it would lead us, on paper we are all equal citizens one man one vote, the whole island is one, no divisions, every ones property rights are restored one way or another and we have kicked the Turkish army out. The 80% balance in favor of the GCs would automatically ensure that and political party formed by the GCs would get a whopping big chunk of the vote that would bring them to power. How will we ge our voice heard through GC MPs, how will we stop any decisions that will according to us influence TCs negatively, forcing us to go against our will? How will we stop discrimination which will run rife and how will we ensure equal opportunity when the government body is run by GCs. TCs feel due to past and present GC expertise in making black white and white black that they will rot in the corridors of the ECHR trying to get their even most basic of rights due to the power the GCs will have over them using their numerical superiority.

TCs are the 18%, they wouldn't need to make their "voice heard through GC MPs" since they could elect a lot of MPs of their own since. If we assume that all GCs voted for GC MPS and all TCs voted for TC MPs, then the TCs would have 18% of MPs that would represent the 18% of population. Isn't that fair to you?

TCs are not the only minority in Cyprus. There are other, much smaller minorities. Have the Armenians, the Latins or the Maronites, who are tiny minorities being harmed or had their rights violated in any way? On the contrary, the leader of the ruling party in Cyprus is an Armenian Cypriot, and those minorities are perfectly respected by the rest of Cypriots and the state.

Cyprus is a modern EU country VP. It is not Turkey. If you were concerned about minority rights then you should be concerned about how Kurds are treated in Turkey. The Kurds are 20% and their parties are banned. Those that managed to get elected as independents are much less than the 20% of the MPs.

Beyond that, if you still have a concern is that you will be discriminated in Cyprus, then I wouldn't have in Cyprus if we implement affirmative action at all levels, to guarantee that TCs are not descriminated or under-represented anywhere.

But lets face it VP. What you want is not just to ensure that you will not be discriminated against or be under-represented in a united Cyprus. What you want is exactly the opposite, to discriminate against all non TC Cypriots and be way over-represented, while everybody else is under-represented. In a few words: You want to use the Turkish army and with brute force and blackmail to gain on our loss, not just in terms of rights and power, but land as well. Thats the problem.

[denizaksulu]

Every Cypriot citizen should be equal without racist discriminations. Beyond that each Cypriot's role will depend on what he or she will do, and the limit is only the law and the each persons capabilities.

If TCs do not accept the role of equal Cypriot citizens, but they want to be the "super citizens" who are above all others just because they are Turkish, then obviously the rest of Cypriots will not accept it such racist discriminations.

Lets go down this avenue and see where it would lead us, on paper we are all equal citizens one man one vote, the whole island is one, no divisions, every ones property rights are restored one way or another and we have kicked the Turkish army out. The 80% balance in favor of the GCs would automatically ensure that and political party formed by the GCs would get a whopping big chunk of the vote that would bring them to power. How will we ge our voice heard through GC MPs, how will we stop any decisions that will according to us influence TCs negatively, forcing us to go against our will? How will we stop discrimination which will run rife and how will we ensure equal opportunity when the government body is run by GCs. TCs feel due to past and present GC expertise in making black white and white black that they will rot in the corridors of the ECHR trying to get their even most basic of rights due to the power the GCs will have over them using their numerical superiority.

TCs are the 18%, they wouldn't need to make their "voice heard through GC MPs" since they could elect a lot of MPs of their own since. If we assume that all GCs voted for GC MPS and all TCs voted for TC MPs, then the TCs would have 18% of MPs that would represent the 18% of population. Isn't that fair to you?

TCs are not the only minority in Cyprus. There are other, much smaller minorities. Have the Armenians, the Latins or the Maronites, who are tiny minorities being harmed or had their rights violated in any way? On the contrary, the leader of the ruling party in Cyprus is an Armenian Cypriot, and those minorities are perfectly respected by the rest of Cypriots and the state.

Cyprus is a modern EU country VP. It is not Turkey. If you were concerned about minority rights then you should be concerned about how Kurds are treated in Turkey. The Kurds are 20% and their parties are banned. Those that managed to get elected as independents are much less than the 20% of the MPs.

Beyond that, if you still have a concern is that you will be discriminated in Cyprus, then I wouldn't have in Cyprus if we implement affirmative action at all levels, to guarantee that TCs are not descriminated or under-represented anywhere.

But lets face it VP. What you want is not just to ensure that you will not be discriminated against or be under-represented in a united Cyprus. What you want is exactly the opposite, to discriminate against all non TC Cypriots and be way over-represented, while everybody else is under-represented. In a few words: You want to use the Turkish army and with brute force and blackmail to gain on our loss, not just in terms of rights and power, but land as well. Thats the problem.

Piratis, Why compare TCs with the other 'minority' groups. First of all they are pre-dominantly Christian. You do not see them as ''INVADERS'' as you do the 'TURKs'. That is why you have this 'Hate the Turks' mentality. Do not try to hide your feelings towards your TC 'brothers', it is easily obvious from your posts. Another ridiculous statement from you. You ought to know better.

Regards

[Piratis]

The hate exists among some exactly because the Turks violate our human rights and occupy our land. It is only natural.

The solution is to end the illegalities and the crimes, apply democracy and human rights, so the wounds will be healed. Just like it happened in all other countries where conflict existed between the various ethnic groups.

Equality among all citizens, democracy and human rights is the only solution.

What you would propose? Yet more discriminations and violations of human rights against all non Turkish Cypriots, in order to fuel yet more hate?

[denizaksulu]

The hate exists among some exactly because the Turks violate our human rights and occupy our land. It is only natural.

The solution is to end the illegalities and the crimes, apply democracy and human rights, so the wounds will be healed. Just like it happened in all other countries where conflict existed between the various ethnic groups.

Equality among all citizens, democracy and human rights is the only solution.

What you would propose? Yet more discriminations and violations of human rights against all non Turkish Cypriots, in order to fuel yet more hate?

Piratis , its people like yourselves who are fomenting this hatred. Always stirring. Common sense dictates that we sit down and'talk'. While you are spreading your venom nothing can be negotiated, which in the end will culminate in the removal of 'foreign' armies.

[raiseurfist]

The hate exists among some exactly because the Turks violate our human rights and occupy our land. It is only natural.

The solution is to end the illegalities and the crimes, apply democracy and human rights, so the wounds will be healed. Just like it happened in all other countries where conflict existed between the various ethnic groups.

Equality among all citizens, democracy and human rights is the only solution.

What you would propose? Yet more discriminations and violations of human rights against all non Turkish Cypriots, in order to fuel yet more hate?

Piratis , its people like yourselves who are fomenting this hatred. Always stirring. Common sense dictates that we sit down and'talk'. While you are spreading your venom nothing can be negotiated, which in the end will culminate in the removal of 'foreign' armies.

whats are we laughing about?

You asked a question and Piratis answered quite politely and reasonably.

I dont see any hate in his post but only anger because of your ignorance but since you believe otherwise why dont you answer the question.

Whats the reasonable thing to do in a United Cyprus.

How do you want to be represented in the government?

Oh and btw please give some examples of other similar cases of such representation in existing governments so we can see how well it works.