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Look at it from our viewpoint, 11 years of suffering and still no solution the last drop was the coup which gave Turkey opportunity to step in resolve things her own way, thank god she was ready as in 2 weeks we could have been history...the risk itself sends shivers down our spines you can never understand this as you are not a TC whether or not their real aim was to save the TCs is irrelevent they arrived and got rid of the dangers and explosive situation we were facing not only in 1974 but since 1963.

What on earth are you talking about? The military junta was far more concerned about the Makarios supporters and eliminating communists.

They TOTALLY ignored the TC community and the very fact that not a single TC was arrested, hurt, or killed during their operations is evidence of that so quit fabricating scenarios!

The risk and tensions were far to high and if sucessful would have turned on the TCs which was their intention 1hour 45 minutes wasnt that how long it would have taken to rid the island of tis TC problem???

[Kifeas]

Look at it from our viewpoint, 11 years of suffering and still no solution the last drop was the coup which gave Turkey opportunity to step in resolve things her own way, thank god she was ready as in 2 weeks we could have been history...the risk itself sends shivers down our spines you can never understand this as you are not a TC whether or not their real aim was to save the TCs is irrelevent they arrived and got rid of the dangers and explosive situation we were facing not only in 1974 but since 1963.

What on earth are you talking about? The military junta was far more concerned about the Makarios supporters and eliminating communists.

They TOTALLY ignored the TC community and the very fact that not a single TC was arrested, hurt, or killed during their operations is evidence of that so quit fabricating scenarios!

GR, I am talking as someone whose family was on the opposite side of the coupists and the Eoka B', but I have to tell you that it is a dangerous myth, the claim that the they were busy eliminating communists or anybody else! Besides the roughly 100 people that were killed in the first 2-3 days during clashes and fighting, half of which (deaths) were in fact from the coupists, we cannot claim that they went ahead in killing opponents indiscriminately, once they surrendered their arms! Yes they imprisoned lots of people and even tortured a number of them; however, executions as such were not marked or proved up to this day, apart from very few isolated cases! One of the reasons that perhaps they did not proceed to such murders, neither I believe they were intending to do so against TCs, is because they (the Greek Junta) were counting on the co-operation of the GC society in order to consolidate their control, after Makarios removal; and more so on the understanding of the international public opinion, governments and the UN, in promoting the recognition and acceptance of Enosis, which was their main objective! Had they taken the opposite approach, that of escalating violence, murders and executions, they knew it would have backfired and would have cancelled out any chances they thought they had in achieving Enosis! They were stupid enough, but not that much stupid!

[Get Real!]

Look at it from our viewpoint, 11 years of suffering and still no solution the last drop was the coup which gave Turkey opportunity to step in resolve things her own way, thank god she was ready as in 2 weeks we could have been history...the risk itself sends shivers down our spines you can never understand this as you are not a TC whether or not their real aim was to save the TCs is irrelevent they arrived and got rid of the dangers and explosive situation we were facing not only in 1974 but since 1963.

What on earth are you talking about? The military junta was far more concerned about the Makarios supporters and eliminating communists.

They TOTALLY ignored the TC community and the very fact that not a single TC was arrested, hurt, or killed during their operations is evidence of that so quit fabricating scenarios!

The risk and tensions were far to high and if sucessful would have turned on the TCs which was their intention 1hour 45 minutes wasnt that how long it would have taken to rid the island of tis TC problem???

The more I hear your theories the more I realize how out of touch the TC community always was! Is it any wonder why they never really managed to blend in with Cyprus? Paranoid schizophrenics that's what you always were… I’m tired of this shit!

[MR-from-NG]

Look at it from our viewpoint, 11 years of suffering and still no solution the last drop was the coup which gave Turkey opportunity to step in resolve things her own way, thank god she was ready as in 2 weeks we could have been history...the risk itself sends shivers down our spines you can never understand this as you are not a TC whether or not their real aim was to save the TCs is irrelevent they arrived and got rid of the dangers and explosive situation we were facing not only in 1974 but since 1963.

What on earth are you talking about? The military junta was far more concerned about the Makarios supporters and eliminating communists.

They TOTALLY ignored the TC community and the very fact that not a single TC was arrested, hurt, or killed during their operations is evidence of that so quit fabricating scenarios![/quote]

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GR, I am talking as someone whose family was on the opposite side of the coupists and the Eoka B', but I have to tell you that it is a dangerous myth, the claim that the they were busy eliminating communists or anybody else! Besides the roughly 100 people that were killed in the first 2-3 days during clashes and fighting, half of which (deaths) were in fact from the coupists, we cannot claim that they went ahead in killing opponents indiscriminately, once they surrendered their arms! Yes they imprisoned lots of people and even tortured a number of them; however, executions as such were not marked or proved up to this day, apart from very few isolated cases! One of the reasons that perhaps they did not proceed to such murders, neither I believe they were intending to do so against TCs, is because they (the Greek Junta) were counting on the co-operation of the GC society in order to consolidate their control, after Makarios removal; and more so on the understanding of the international public opinion, governments and the UN, in promoting the recognition and acceptance of Enosis, which was their main objective! Had they taken the opposite approach, that of escalating violence, murders and executions, they knew it would have backfired and would have cancelled out any chances they thought they had in achieving Enosis! They were stupid enough, but not that much stupid!

It is common knowledge that the TCs were the main obstacle to your ENOSIS dream. The above comment holds no water at all. GC propaganda has no boundaries.

[Get Real!]

GR, I am talking as someone whose family was on the opposite side of the coupists and the Eoka B', but I have to tell you that it is a dangerous myth, the claim that the they were busy eliminating communists or anybody else!

I agree that "eliminating" was a strong and inappropriate word I used but arrests were definitely plentiful.

[Get Real!]

It is common knowledge that the TCs were the main obstacle to your ENOSIS dream. The above comment holds no water at all. GC propaganda has no boundaries.

My comment or Kifeas'?

[zan]

Look at it from our viewpoint, 11 years of suffering and still no solution the last drop was the coup which gave Turkey opportunity to step in resolve things her own way, thank god she was ready as in 2 weeks we could have been history...the risk itself sends shivers down our spines you can never understand this as you are not a TC whether or not their real aim was to save the TCs is irrelevent they arrived and got rid of the dangers and explosive situation we were facing not only in 1974 but since 1963.

What on earth are you talking about? The military junta was far more concerned about the Makarios supporters and eliminating communists.

They TOTALLY ignored the TC community and the very fact that not a single TC was arrested, hurt, or killed during their operations is evidence of that so quit fabricating scenarios![/quote]

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GR, I am talking as someone whose family was on the opposite side of the coupists and the Eoka B', but I have to tell you that it is a dangerous myth, the claim that the they were busy eliminating communists or anybody else! Besides the roughly 100 people that were killed in the first 2-3 days during clashes and fighting, half of which (deaths) were in fact from the coupists, we cannot claim that they went ahead in killing opponents indiscriminately, once they surrendered their arms! Yes they imprisoned lots of people and even tortured a number of them; however, executions as such were not marked or proved up to this day, apart from very few isolated cases! One of the reasons that perhaps they did not proceed to such murders, neither I believe they were intending to do so against TCs, is because they (the Greek Junta) were counting on the co-operation of the GC society in order to consolidate their control, after Makarios removal; and more so on the understanding of the international public opinion, governments and the UN, in promoting the recognition and acceptance of Enosis, which was their main objective! Had they taken the opposite approach, that of escalating violence, murders and executions, they knew it would have backfired and would have cancelled out any chances they thought they had in achieving Enosis! They were stupid enough, but not that much stupid!

It is common knowledge that the TCs were the main obstacle to your ENOSIS dream. The above comment holds no water at all. GC propaganda has no boundaries.

A. External tactics (international).

During the recent stages of our national struggle the Cyprus problem has been presented to diplomatic circles as a demand for the exercise of the right of self-determination by the people of Cyprus. In securing the right of self-determination obstacles have been created by the well-known conditions, the existence of a Turkish minority, by the inter-communal conflict and the attempts to show that co-existence of both communities under one government was impossible. Finally, for many international circles the problem was solved by the London and Zurich Agreements, a solution which was presented as the result of negotiations and agreement between the two sides.

a) Consequently, our first target has been to cultivate internationally the impression that the Cyprus problem has not really been solved an the solution requires revision.

b) Our first objective was our endeavour to be vindicated as the Greek majority and to create the impression that:

(i) The solution given is neither satisfactory not fair;

(ii) The agreement reached was not the result of a free and voluntary acceptance of a compromise of the conflicting views;

(iii) That the revision of the agreements constitutes a compelling necessity for survival, and not an effort of the Greeks to repudiate their signature;

(iv) That the co-existence of the two communities is possible, and

(v) That the strong element on which foreign states ought to rely is the Greek majority and not the Turkish Cypriots.


Akritas Plan Initial stage:


Makarios thirteen point amendment.

[Eric dayi]

A. External tactics (international).

During the recent stages of our national struggle the Cyprus problem has been presented to diplomatic circles as a demand for the exercise of the right of self-determination by the people of Cyprus. In securing the right of self-determination obstacles have been created by the well-known conditions, the existence of a Turkish minority, by the inter-communal conflict and the attempts to show that co-existence of both communities under one government was impossible. Finally, for many international circles the problem was solved by the London and Zurich Agreements, a solution which was presented as the result of negotiations and agreement between the two sides.

a) Consequently, our first target has been to cultivate internationally the impression that the Cyprus problem has not really been solved an the solution requires revision.

b) Our first objective was our endeavour to be vindicated as the Greek majority and to create the impression that:

(i) The solution given is neither satisfactory not fair;

(ii) The agreement reached was not the result of a free and voluntary acceptance of a compromise of the conflicting views;

(iii) That the revision of the agreements constitutes a compelling necessity for survival, and not an effort of the Greeks to repudiate their signature;

(iv) That the co-existence of the two communities is possible, and

(v) That the strong element on which foreign states ought to rely is the Greek majority and not the Turkish Cypriots.


Akritas Plan Initial stage:


Makarios thirteen point amendment.

GCs biggest mistake and their downfall was the Akritas plan. The plan made the whole world realise that there are Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus, before that the whole world though Cyprus was a Greek island.

The reason for the failure of the Akritas to turn Cyprus in to Greek island was not the plan itself but the impatience of the GCs and their lust for murdering us Turkish Cypriots to, in their minds, take revenge for 300+ years of Ottoman rule. Had they not had this "lust" to spill Turkish blood, they would have achieved ENOSIS within 15 years (tops) after independence.

The plan failed and one of the men who authored the plan back then and failed to deliver is now the "President" of the so called "RoC" and is destined to fail again and again and again.

In fact all that the GCs with their combination of the Akritas plan, impatience and their lust to kill all Turkish Cypriots for revenge has managed to achieve is partition.

[phoenix]

A. External tactics (international).

During the recent stages of our national struggle the Cyprus problem has been presented to diplomatic circles as a demand for the exercise of the right of self-determination by the people of Cyprus. In securing the right of self-determination obstacles have been created by the well-known conditions, the existence of a Turkish minority, by the inter-communal conflict and the attempts to show that co-existence of both communities under one government was impossible. Finally, for many international circles the problem was solved by the London and Zurich Agreements, a solution which was presented as the result of negotiations and agreement between the two sides.

a) Consequently, our first target has been to cultivate internationally the impression that the Cyprus problem has not really been solved an the solution requires revision.

b) Our first objective was our endeavour to be vindicated as the Greek majority and to create the impression that:

(i) The solution given is neither satisfactory not fair;

(ii) The agreement reached was not the result of a free and voluntary acceptance of a compromise of the conflicting views;

(iii) That the revision of the agreements constitutes a compelling necessity for survival, and not an effort of the Greeks to repudiate their signature;

(iv) That the co-existence of the two communities is possible, and

(v) That the strong element on which foreign states ought to rely is the Greek majority and not the Turkish Cypriots.


Akritas Plan Initial stage:


Makarios thirteen point amendment.

GCs biggest mistake and their downfall was the Akritas plan. The plan made the whole world realise that there are Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus, before that the whole world though Cyprus was a Greek island.

The reason for the failure of the Akritas to turn Cyprus in to Greek island was not the plan itself but the impatience of the GCs and their lust for murdering us Turkish Cypriots to, in their minds, take revenge for 300+ years of Ottoman rule. Had they not had this "lust" to spill Turkish blood, they would have achieved ENOSIS within 15 years (tops) after independence.

The plan failed and one of the men who authored the plan back then and failed to deliver is now the "President" of the so called "RoC" and is destined to fail again and again and again.

In fact all that the GCs with their combination of the Akritas plan, impatience and their lust to kill all Turkish Cypriots for revenge has managed to achieve is partition.

Please highlight relevant passages which you base your assumptions on about this "lust to kill all Turkish Cypriots" because the writing just ain't saying that to me.

[Eric dayi]

A. External tactics (international).

During the recent stages of our national struggle the Cyprus problem has been presented to diplomatic circles as a demand for the exercise of the right of self-determination by the people of Cyprus. In securing the right of self-determination obstacles have been created by the well-known conditions, the existence of a Turkish minority, by the inter-communal conflict and the attempts to show that co-existence of both communities under one government was impossible. Finally, for many international circles the problem was solved by the London and Zurich Agreements, a solution which was presented as the result of negotiations and agreement between the two sides.

a) Consequently, our first target has been to cultivate internationally the impression that the Cyprus problem has not really been solved an the solution requires revision.

b) Our first objective was our endeavour to be vindicated as the Greek majority and to create the impression that:

(i) The solution given is neither satisfactory not fair;

(ii) The agreement reached was not the result of a free and voluntary acceptance of a compromise of the conflicting views;

(iii) That the revision of the agreements constitutes a compelling necessity for survival, and not an effort of the Greeks to repudiate their signature;

(iv) That the co-existence of the two communities is possible, and

(v) That the strong element on which foreign states ought to rely is the Greek majority and not the Turkish Cypriots.


Akritas Plan Initial stage:


Makarios thirteen point amendment.

GCs biggest mistake and their downfall was the Akritas plan. The plan made the whole world realise that there are Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus, before that the whole world though Cyprus was a Greek island.

The reason for the failure of the Akritas to turn Cyprus in to Greek island was not the plan itself but the impatience of the GCs and their lust for murdering us Turkish Cypriots to, in their minds, take revenge for 300+ years of Ottoman rule. Had they not had this "lust" to spill Turkish blood, they would have achieved ENOSIS within 15 years (tops) after independence.

The plan failed and one of the men who authored the plan back then and failed to deliver is now the "President" of the so called "RoC" and is destined to fail again and again and again.

In fact all that the GCs with their combination of the Akritas plan, impatience and their lust to kill all Turkish Cypriots for revenge has managed to achieve is partition.

Please highlight relevant passages which you base your assumptions on about this "lust to kill all Turkish Cypriots" because the writing just ain't saying that to me.

What can I do if you are so dumb?