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[denizaksulu]

we had a problem in the RoC but not to the magnitute of the destruction turkey brought upon us...and i think you are old enough to remember...

how many people out of 200,000 odd were guilty of the turkish punishment?...in your opinion

The tragic events of 1974 were brought about by your dream of Enosis. Had none of the preceding events which ended in the overthrow of Pres.Makarios never hapenned the Turkish Army would not have been there today.
Personally I was very saddened at these evnts and the necessity for the Turkish action.Anyone with a soul will be aware of the fact that innocents will suffer. It is always the case. We have been over these isses many times. To catch up you have to do some browsing on the forum, as we will be epeating ourselves 'a la'Piratis.

[Piratis]

So are you saying the crime is excused or brushed under the carpet because its Papastrop or is it because you claim you have freedom of speech?

You people would try and explain away a murder even if Papastrop was caught red handed at the crime scene with the murder weapon in his hand saying I did it...you are a laughing stock and you are clearly kidding yourselves no one else.

VP, we know that you hate Papadopoulos and every decent Greek Cypriot who fights for his rights. This is why you believe every accusation against Papadopoulos without questioning it.

There are courts and only the courts can declare people as guilty. This is what happens in democratic countries. I guess in Turkey you never heard of "Everybody is innocent until proven otherwise". You instead prefer to have your army to decide who is "guilty" and execute him without even a trial.

[denizaksulu]

You are old enough to know that the Cyprus prob existed before the tragic events of 1974.

Of course I know. We have been oppressed and our land has been occupied by various foreigners for centuries.

1974 was the just the most recent of such invasions against Cyprus, but thankfully today it is not the middle ages, there is international law and human rights, so nobody can claim our land as their own.

Unfortunately the invadors don't give a damn about international law and human rights, which makes the liberation of our island impossible at the time. However the time will certainly came that they will not be able to enforce their illegalities anymore.

Like you gave a damn about international law and human rights pre-1974. Who are you kidding Mr Hitler.

[boomerang]

mate you and your enosis...you know damn well we were stabbed in the back in '74, by the gc morons, and our lovely compatriots......we killed enosis, your worsed nightmare and how did you say thank you?...yes lets not get into this as we will going around in circles...

you need to understand, and i think the tcs are ignorant of some facts, but the people you hurt are the same people that stood against enosis...

[Piratis]

denizaksulu, Hitler invaded foreign countries, killed thousands of people and violated the rights of many more. Thats exactly what the Turks are doing in Cyprus.

In fact when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia he used the exact same excuse that the Turks used to invade Cyprus, to supposdedly protect the German minority there

After suffering under the oppression of the British, Turkish and other foreigners for centuries, don't you think you should have allowed Cypriots to finally rule our island in a democratic way and take our own decisions, instead of trying to continue forcing us your own will?

The Cyprus problem is that of foreigners oppressing the Cypriot people. And you are right, it didn't start in 1974, but many centuries before. And it will end when those foreigners piss of from our country and allow Cypriots to rule their island in a democratic way.

[Viewpoint]

So are you saying the crime is excused or brushed under the carpet because its Papastrop or is it because you claim you have freedom of speech?

You people would try and explain away a murder even if Papastrop was caught red handed at the crime scene with the murder weapon in his hand saying I did it...you are a laughing stock and you are clearly kidding yourselves no one else.

VP, we know that you hate Papadopoulos and every decent Greek Cypriot who fights for his rights. This is why you believe every accusation against Papadopoulos without questioning it.

There are courts and only the courts can declare people as guilty. This is what happens in democratic countries. I guess in Turkey you never heard of "Everybody is innocent until proven otherwise". You instead prefer to have your army to decide who is "guilty" and execute him without even a trial.

This accusations were levelled by your own people not mine and its up to them to put the evidence forward to prove matters but your blind refusal to accept even the possibility that these accusation might be 1% true is the alarming aspect for me as this is the mentality that will ensure TCs are reduced to minority status in a united Cyprus and why we TCs should never contemplate taking a leap of faith and allowing bloody mindedness like yours and many GCs to rule and influence our future.

[boomerang]

hey...i didn't have sex with that women...and the courts took over and sorted it out...democrasy in its glory...

if it's true then hang the bastard...but remember...everyone is innocent till proven guilty...I do realise though living under occupation, sometimes the thinking gets clouded...

now get down and prove to me your turkishness...


from the people you want to be our guarantors... ...i say fuck you, you keep them...talk to me when you can see clearly...

[iceman]

Getting back to the topic....this one is from todays press..

Corruption on the rise: I wonder why?
By Loucas Charalambous

“HOW IS it possible Mr President, every stone we lift, under it, we find you and your office?” I asked this question, a few months ago, in this column, commenting on the multi-faceted activities of the law office founded by President Papadopoulos and now run by his offspring.

Last Sunday, Politis lifted another stone and under it, yet again, it found the Tassos Papadopoulos and Associates law office. It published a letter, sent to the Chinese company Norinco, in which the law firm demanded, in strong terms, payment of commission owed to its client (a mysterious firm by the name of Chams Ltd) for the purchase of munitions by the Cyprus government.

The most interesting part of this letter was that the Papadopoulos law office threatened to report the Chinese company to the House Defence Committee and the Ministry of Defence if it failed to make the payment within seven days. I should mention that the company was not found in the lists of the Registrar of Companies, even though Alithia revealed a day later that it belonged to a member of the president’s party DIKO.

What is astonishing is the audacity of the president’s children. Norinco was being warned that it would be ‘reported’ to the Defence Ministry. The threat was quite clear: if you do not pay up we will report you to the minister of our father who is the President of the Republic and you will never land another government contract. It is unprecedented for the son of the President of the Republic effectively to cite his father’s power, in order to achieve his professional objectives.

The really big question, though, is how Papadopoulos, who sees himself as a professor of political ethics, could have been representing arms merchants in 2003 when he was a party leader and a member of the legislature which evaluated tenders for the supply of guns, including tenders, it would appear, by his office’s clients. This is the much-trumpeted political morality of our president, who had nothing to say at least by the time that this was written. He stayed quiet as did his otherwise talkative son Nicholas, who, apart from representing mystery companies that vie for big government contracts, also deals with the awarding of patriotism certificates to Greek Cypriots.
Three days after this story was published, the DISY leader Nicos Anastassiades rolled over another stone, under which, a few months ago, we discovered the offspring of the president. I refer to the case of the floating terminal for Liquid Natural Gas. Citing written documentation, the DISY chief revealed the scale of this dodgy story in which the son of the president is immersed up to his neck.
About a year ago, a newspaper printed a copy of a receipt for £50,000 that had been donated to Papadopoulos’ election campaign fund in 2002 by a British company that had business interests in Cyprus. Three months ago, documents were submitted in a Nicosia court showing how millions of pounds worth of foreign exchange had been distributed among foreign nationals on the instructions of associates of the Tassos Papadopoulos law office. The money had come from the hundred of millions siphoned out Yugoslavia by the Milosevic regime with the help of the above-mentioned law office.
By sheer coincidence, last Tuesday, it was reported that the organization ‘International Transparency’ had placed Cyprus in 39th position in its world league table on corruption. When Papadopoulos took over the presidency from Clerides, Cyprus was in 27th place. In 2003, when he took over the presidency, Papadopoulos had pledged that he would eliminate corruption, but during his five years in office, according to International Transparency, the level of corruption has been on the rise. I wonder why?

[T_C]

Tpap is a GANGSTA!

[Pyrpolizer]

Getting back to the topic....this one is from todays press..

Corruption on the rise: I wonder why?
By Loucas Charalambous

“HOW IS it possible Mr President, every stone we lift, under it, we find you and your office?” I asked this question, a few months ago, in this column, commenting on the multi-faceted activities of the law office founded by President Papadopoulos and now run by his offspring.

Last Sunday, Politis lifted another stone and under it, yet again, it found the Tassos Papadopoulos and Associates law office. It published a letter, sent to the Chinese company Norinco, in which the law firm demanded, in strong terms, payment of commission owed to its client (a mysterious firm by the name of Chams Ltd) for the purchase of munitions by the Cyprus government.

The most interesting part of this letter was that the Papadopoulos law office threatened to report the Chinese company to the House Defence Committee and the Ministry of Defence if it failed to make the payment within seven days. I should mention that the company was not found in the lists of the Registrar of Companies, even though Alithia revealed a day later that it belonged to a member of the president’s party DIKO.

What is astonishing is the audacity of the president’s children. Norinco was being warned that it would be ‘reported’ to the Defence Ministry. The threat was quite clear: if you do not pay up we will report you to the minister of our father who is the President of the Republic and you will never land another government contract. It is unprecedented for the son of the President of the Republic effectively to cite his father’s power, in order to achieve his professional objectives.

The really big question, though, is how Papadopoulos, who sees himself as a professor of political ethics, could have been representing arms merchants in 2003 when he was a party leader and a member of the legislature which evaluated tenders for the supply of guns, including tenders, it would appear, by his office’s clients. This is the much-trumpeted political morality of our president, who had nothing to say at least by the time that this was written. He stayed quiet as did his otherwise talkative son Nicholas, who, apart from representing mystery companies that vie for big government contracts, also deals with the awarding of patriotism certificates to Greek Cypriots.
Three days after this story was published, the DISY leader Nicos Anastassiades rolled over another stone, under which, a few months ago, we discovered the offspring of the president. I refer to the case of the floating terminal for Liquid Natural Gas. Citing written documentation, the DISY chief revealed the scale of this dodgy story in which the son of the president is immersed up to his neck.
About a year ago, a newspaper printed a copy of a receipt for £50,000 that had been donated to Papadopoulos’ election campaign fund in 2002 by a British company that had business interests in Cyprus. Three months ago, documents were submitted in a Nicosia court showing how millions of pounds worth of foreign exchange had been distributed among foreign nationals on the instructions of associates of the Tassos Papadopoulos law office. The money had come from the hundred of millions siphoned out Yugoslavia by the Milosevic regime with the help of the above-mentioned law office.
By sheer coincidence, last Tuesday, it was reported that the organization ‘International Transparency’ had placed Cyprus in 39th position in its world league table on corruption. When Papadopoulos took over the presidency from Clerides, Cyprus was in 27th place. In 2003, when he took over the presidency, Papadopoulos had pledged that he would eliminate corruption, but during his five years in office, according to International Transparency, the level of corruption has been on the rise. I wonder why?

a)And one day later we learned that Norinco never exported anything to Cyprus, because it was deprived Export permit by the Chinese government !!!

b)By paying a fee of just only 3 CYP, ANYBODY, even the LAST CITIZEN can go to the office of the Register of Companies and check ANY company's registration records. If a company is not registered it cannot have bank accounts on the first place, so how could it ever receive funds transfered from abroad.

Now trust me guys. The newspapers have absolutely no idea how things work. Not even the most stupid person or company involved in these matters would ever leave any type of evidence behind. Especially written evidence.

Threatening IN WRITTING a company in China to pay the commission or else????? Not even in your wildest dreams!!!!
The only possible way is to have a chat with the Chinese Ambassador over a nice dinner at an expensive restaurant. THIS IS THE MAIN JOB OF AMBASSADORS....