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[MicAtCyp]

Cannedmoose,

You are a very kind person re, like most British people actually. I dare say you earned my respect....

[MicAtCyp]

Hi Alex,

Sometimes I wonder whether "modern" politicians know of the existence of forums. (Sertar Denktash was participating at a forum once...). In my opinion the easiest way to find out about the Anan Plan would be to watch this forum.

If I were a politician and interested to learn about a foreign problem thats what I would do anyway

[MicAtCyp]

So Bananiot the least we can expect regarding the sea shell as described in the Anan Plan is to end up to another vagueness. That could be exploited when the conditions are favourable. Do you think the British are not clever enough to have already made their plans?
In my opinion the matter of the British Bases should be made crystal clear under any solution and be limited to a clear military base that has an expiry date or at least be re-discussed at the expiry date.
The only clarity I see in the Anan Plan is a state within the other 3 states. I say other 3 states because there is no hierachy of laws between them.I.e to a more Banana state that what we already are.

PS.Edited because this keyboard leaves letters behind.Sorry for any missing letters/or mispelling

[Bananiot]

Fair enough, but now you have changed your tuned.

[MicAtCyp]

Bananiot this matter is not the only problem with the Anan Plan. And I think its you who changed your tune by reading something that thrilled you up.
By the way do you have the Politis article number of Makarios Drousiotis article, as I would like to read what he says?

PS. Alecos Markides was the dearest supporter of the Anan Plan, so his view does not tell me anything I wouldn't expect from him.Everything fine, everything OK excpept from the fact that everything is a mess.

[brother]

EDEK sets sights on British Bases
By Stefanos Evripidou


EDEK honorary chairman Vassos Lyssarides fired a warning shot to Britain yesterday that its actions were not going unnoticed on the non-payment of rent for use of the British Bases on the island and the pressure applied over the Annan plan.

The EDEK deputy said Cyprus had international law and the European courts at its disposal to question whether Britain has kept to its obligations from the Treaty of Establishment, the legal basis for the Bases.

Speaking after a joint meeting of the House Legal and Foreign Affairs Committees, Lyssarides said: “The first aim is for the English to understand that this behaviour does not go unnoticed, that this Parliament has sensitivities and will discuss all the legal means at its disposal to defend against such a hostile policy from a country that is responsible for our troubles, even though it took on the responsibility to protect the integrity and security of Cyprus and enjoys so many benefits from Cyprus.”

Foreign Minister George Iacovou and Attorney General Solon Nikitas were also present at the meeting, held behind closed doors at the behest of Nikitas.

Iacovou said that now was not the time to open up new fronts against Britain, stating that Cyprus needed more friends and fewer enemies to operate in the international field successfully.

Lyssarides initiated yesterday’s debate on the legal and political aspects of the Bases, after failing to get all-round support for discussing the issue in Parliament last July.

The honorary chairman said the negative role played by Britain in Cyprus had turned provocative as of late, referring to pressure applied on the people to accept a plan, which they rejected.

“Blackmailing that they would punish the people with separate economic relations with the breakaway state,” he said.

Failure to protect the integrity and security of Cyprus “constitutes a violation of the Treaty of Establishment and Guarantee,” said Lyssarides.

“Regarding the position of the Bases, I do not have to say that under international law no country is permitted sovereignty over land that is beyond their borders,” he added.

Iacovou took a tone of diplomatic expediency on the issue. “It is a fact that we have some problems right now with the positions of Britain in the EU and generally on the Cyprus problem, but the government does not believe it should enter into conflict with Britain.”

The minister said all agreements were binding and called on Britain to keep to its obligations.

He added that the agreements with the British were contested in the 1960s but to no avail. “That is why we face the challenge with soberness and are trying, without losing our courage,” he said.

Iacovou acknowledged that an opinion by the Attorney General had ruled that the Brits maintained sovereignty over the Bases from the Treaty of Establishment.

Asked if there was the option of recourse to European courts to seek rent arrears or rights of Cypriots living on Bases territory, Iacovou said, like any court, it was difficult to predict what they would decide.

The founding treaties included a conflict resolution process to deal with such issues, which was not applicable because Turkey does not recognise the Cyprus Republic, said Iacovou.
Lyssarides continued that Britain wrongly claimed to have sovereignty over the Bases area and wrongly used Cypriot land without paying the agreed sum in rent, apart from the first five years after 1960.

The honorary chairman said he would state his proposal for a resolution in parliament after the committees concluded their discussion on the Bases issue.

Asked if it was unwise to open a second front against Britain, he replied: “The front exists, we are under attack and defending ourselves and it is certainly not our intention to draw the sword where it is not needed. But when you are under threat of attack, it would be naïve not to respond,” said Lyssarides.

I thought you guys would find this very interesting, sorry i could not put a link but it was sent to me by a good friend and is apparently todays news.

[Bananiot]

It is cretin to disagree with someone's point of view simply because you do not like his face. What about Iacovou and Solon Nikitas? May be they smell badly. Brother, Lissarides is a national socialist who participated with an armed gang in the atrocities committed in 1963. He has rejected, along with Tasos, every single proposal for the solution of the Cyprob since the early 50's. He is a confirmed supporter of the Bathist Arab movement and rumour has it his party received large amounts of money from Libya. He normally flies in the sky and a non suspecting outsider may think he is the leader of a super power of much greater ferocity than the US.

http://www.makarios.ws/cgibin/hweb?-A=684&-V=index

[brother]

Thanks for that bananiot, the only way we can learn is if informed people like yourself tell us what the truth is.

[MicAtCyp]

It is cretin to disagree with someone's point of view simply because you do not like his face.

And it is very chicky of you to ALWAYS write un-addressed posts.
Tell us who is disagreeing with someone because he does not like his face? Say it directly without hiding so that we can throw back equal mud.

Thank you anyway for providing the link in your disguised post

[Agios Amvrosios]

I think stirring up the British Military is very dangerous for all Cypriots.