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[BlueNoseDave]

So no one who reads this is in any doubt, I am a Scot who has visited Cyprus on holiday many times, I can only say it is a wonderfull island with great people, and a place I would one day love to live in, not to make it another part of the UK abroad, like some misguide soles, but as a incomer, who respects the island and it's people.
Can I also say that I have never visited the North of Cyprus, but have been to Turkey, Greece, Spain and other Med countries.
Now all of that said, I come from a part of Scotland that has in the past has had problems between two religions, these problems were mirrored but in a much more violent and marked way in Nothern Ireland (Ulster).
My question to all on here, is there anything to be learned from the soultion in Ulster, where now once sworn enemies now share goverment and power, resulting in a much more vibrant and succsesfully society for all. This took brave and strong leadership to establish, and was not without problems, but my point being you cannot move forword without giving up a little and being prepared to except others point of view, also, past violent acts have to be, not forgotten, but at the same time not allowed to stop progress, if it can be done in Ulster it can be done in Cyprus, but it takes willing on both sides and more importantly leaders and in particular people who are preparared to stand up and be counted.
What do you think ??

[Get Real!]

You're trying to compare two totally irrelevant conflicts and it just doesn't work like that.

[Eric dayi]

So no one who reads this is in any doubt, I am a Scot who has visited Cyprus on holiday many times, I can only say it is a wonderfull island with great people, and a place I would one day love to live in, not to make it another part of the UK abroad, like some misguide soles, but as a incomer, who respects the island and it's people.
Can I also say that I have never visited the North of Cyprus, but have been to Turkey, Greece, Spain and other Med countries.
Now all of that said, I come from a part of Scotland that has in the past has had problems between two religions, these problems were mirrored but in a much more violent and marked way in Nothern Ireland (Ulster).
My question to all on here, is there anything to be learned from the soultion in Ulster, where now once sworn enemies now share goverment and power, resulting in a much more vibrant and succsesfully society for all. This took brave and strong leadership to establish, and was not without problems, but my point being you cannot move forword without giving up a little and being prepared to except others point of view, also, past violent acts have to be, not forgotten, but at the same time not allowed to stop progress, if it can be done in Ulster it can be done in Cyprus, but it takes willing on both sides and more importantly leaders and in particular people who are preparared to stand up and be counted.
What do you think ??

First of all BND, I hope the peace found in Ireland will last a very very long time but are we sure that nothing will happen in a few years time?

Second thing is that the GCs have been since 1963 and still trying to dominate over us TCs and turn Cyprus in to Greek island. Of course we will not allow that to happen. It's either power sharing or partition and the way the GCs are behaving it certainly looks like it's partition which of course is suits me just fine.

Apart from language, race and religion there are many other differences between the two communities. Some will tell you that there aren't but I suggest you go to the TRNC and see it for yourself and believe your own eyes instead of the words from some unknown posters in the forum.

[phoenix]

So no one who reads this is in any doubt, I am a Scot who has visited Cyprus on holiday many times, I can only say it is a wonderfull island with great people, and a place I would one day love to live in, not to make it another part of the UK abroad, like some misguide soles, but as a incomer, who respects the island and it's people.
Can I also say that I have never visited the North of Cyprus, but have been to Turkey, Greece, Spain and other Med countries.
Now all of that said, I come from a part of Scotland that has in the past has had problems between two religions, these problems were mirrored but in a much more violent and marked way in Nothern Ireland (Ulster).
My question to all on here, is there anything to be learned from the soultion in Ulster, where now once sworn enemies now share goverment and power, resulting in a much more vibrant and succsesfully society for all. This took brave and strong leadership to establish, and was not without problems, but my point being you cannot move forword without giving up a little and being prepared to except others point of view, also, past violent acts have to be, not forgotten, but at the same time not allowed to stop progress, if it can be done in Ulster it can be done in Cyprus, but it takes willing on both sides and more importantly leaders and in particular people who are preparared to stand up and be counted.
What do you think ??

Go to Get Real!'s "Announcement....." thread. He's posted a great Clannad tune

[BlueNoseDave]

Get Real, Yes they are two diffrent conflicts BUT the principal is the same there can be no way forword unless there is compromise. !! That is the point,,.. Phoenix, Agression never wins in the long run, Cyprus is in the real world ONE Island, it is not Turkish or a part of Greece. For both communities to move forword there has to be strong leadership towords compromise that is the message nothing else, as for predujiuce you get that in every society and country in the planet, it takes individules to get over that NOT governments. Partion has never been the answer there is so many examples all over the world, all that dose is breed conflict. Cyprus is no diffrent.

[utu]

After reading GR's posts, and his attitudes to certain forum members, I don't think that the term 'compromise' is in his vocabulary. But then again, maybe he's right to hold such views. It seems to be too late for compromise now. Both sides are too entrenched and the last chance for compromise (the Annan Plan) fell flat.

[Nikitas]

BND

Notice that Great Britain, that great engineer of human conflict, was not ready to compromise in Ireland till the Irish Republic's economy took off and it was obvious that sooner or later Ulster would have to move along a new tack or be economicaly engulfed by Ireland.

I know it is common in Britain to make fun of the Irish for not being very intellignt. However, circumstances show that the Irish strategy, though it did not ever mention Ulser once, has managed to make the long term finale of the situation rather obvious. In the long run the protestants of Ulster will become irrelevant, as the economy of the Republic grows more and more and becomes the real ruler of evnts in Ireland as a whole.

Looking at the situation one wonders if Sinn Fein would have been willing to compromise if there was no economic boom, and therefore economic power, in the Irish Republic. Would the protestants be ready to accept power sharing if there was no growth of employment opportunities across the border?

Notice I have not mentioned any other country once, but the parallels are obvious.

[Get Real!]

The sovereignty of Cyprus is not an internal dispute like that of the UK mentioned in this thread so no parallels can be drawn.

Speared on by Turkey, the miniscule 18% TC minority is renegading when in fact what they should be doing is adopting to the RoC and settling down. After all what’s in the interests of the average Turkish Cypriot? Is it not that they have a well paying job, good healthcare, education, etc?

Well, waving little red rags and shouting independence slogans is not what their families need so the sooner they come to their senses the sooner they’ll benefit from all that the remaining Cypriots are benefiting from.

The ball is in their court.

[Eric dayi]

The sovereignty of Cyprus is not an internal dispute like that of the UK mentioned in this thread so no parallels can be drawn.

Speared on by Turkey, the miniscule 18% TC minority is renegading when in fact what they should be doing is adopting to the RoC and settling down. After all what’s in the interests of the average Turkish Cypriot? Is it not that they have a well paying job, good healthcare, education, etc?

Well, waving little red rags and shouting independence slogans is not what their families need so the sooner they come to their senses the sooner they’ll benefit from all that the remaining Cypriots are benefiting from.

The ball is in their court.

If it means being ruled by blackmailers like you who threaten peoples families openly GR give me isolation and partition any time of the day or the millennium.

You know what you can do with your osmosis and unification, don't ya?

[Get Real!]

The sovereignty of Cyprus is not an internal dispute like that of the UK mentioned in this thread so no parallels can be drawn.

Speared on by Turkey, the miniscule 18% TC minority is renegading when in fact what they should be doing is adopting to the RoC and settling down. After all what’s in the interests of the average Turkish Cypriot? Is it not that they have a well paying job, good healthcare, education, etc?

Well, waving little red rags and shouting independence slogans is not what their families need so the sooner they come to their senses the sooner they’ll benefit from all that the remaining Cypriots are benefiting from.

The ball is in their court.

If it means being ruled by blackmailers like you who threaten peoples families openly GR give me isolation and partition any time of the day or the millennium.

You know what you can do with your osmosis and unification, don't ya?

People like Denktash, VP, and yourself have no place in Cyprus REGARDLESS of the political arrangement so spare yourself from likely lifetime imprisonment and stay put in the UK.