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Postby DT. » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:13 pm



:lol: :lol:
Here’s an interesting video, shot at a pre-election rally in Xanthi, northern Greece. It shows candidates and other luminaries from the 100,000-strong Muslim minority of Western Thrace arguing that ‘Turks must vote for other Turks’ and suggesting beatings for those who ‘dare vote for the infidel’.
a translation for those who don't read greek or understand Turkish

Cetin Mandaci, Pasok candidate, former president of the Turkish Union of Xanthi: ‘I want to stress that whatever the outcome [of the national elections] at least one Turkish MP must be elected.’

Orhan Haciibram, New Democracy candidate: ‘I’ve been involved in Turkish minority issues for 24 years and [most recently] have been fighting for recognition of the Turkish Union of Rodopi Women, representing the women and the Turkish Union of Xanthi at the European Court of Human Rights.’

Ahmet Mete, unofficial mufti of Xanthi: ‘I’ll tell you something that pains me. In Komotini today, a Western Thrace official told me we’re never going to elect a Turkish MP. It pains me that we have become so predictable. It’s not enough that the giaours (infidels) have figured us out, but even our own are making fun of us. We must stop supporting Christian candidates. Vote for a Turk even if he’s the worst candidate available. Don’t deride other Turkish candidates. [Ask yourself] what has the real enemy ever done for you – the Christian candidate? What you must keep in mind is that a Turk has no friend other than a Turk.’

Orhan Ahmetoglou, president of the Turkish Union of Xanthi: ‘I’d like to close with this one phrase, which must become our banner: A Turkish vote to a Turk.’

Abdularif Dede, journalist, broadcaster: ‘In 2004, we [the Muslims] gave 12,000 of our 33,000 votes to our minority candidates. We gave 21,000 votes to the Romious (Greeks). For 30 years, we’ve been doing the same thing. [Calling for] a Turkish vote to a Turk, but when we go to vote, we vote for a giaour… For years we’ve been voting for Romious and, indeed, to whom have we been giving our votes? To [Pasok MP Panagiotis] Sgouridis, who was involved in the protection of Turkey’s biggest enemy, PKK leader [Abdullah] Ocalan. Damn the Turk who votes for a Christian… I admire the PKK. You know why? Because it sets itself an aim and pursues it faithfully, and when a [PKK] member steps out of line, they give him a beating. In our villages, we know who votes for the giaours, so why don’t we isolate them socially to see if they’ll dare speak about Sgouridis, [New Democracy MP Alexandros] Kontos or their mother’s c----.‘

Saif Husseinoglu, member of the Turkish Union of Xanthi: ‘We are all one. How happy I am to say I am a Turk.’

For the record, two minority candidates were elected to the national parliament in last Sunday’s poll, both from Pasok; the aforementioned Cetin Mandaci for Xanthi, and Ahmet Hacıosman for Rodopi.
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Postby karma » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:37 pm

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

This is unbelivable, unacceptable..
No matter what happpened in the past to assimilate the Muslim minority in Greece, they are still much more luckier than the Greek Minority in Istanbul.. :(
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Postby DT. » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:39 pm

I wonder where SN went?
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Postby Kifeas » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:22 am

I cannot even imagine what would have happened to any of the few remaining minority Greeks in Turkey, had they gathered somewhere and spoke in this manner against the Turkish people and the country! No doubt hundreds of Grey Wolves would have been loaded on police tracks and brought outside the place, to burn all of them alive!
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Postby karma » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:32 am

Kifeas wrote:I cannot even imagine what would have happened to any of the few remaining minority Greeks in Turkey, had they gathered somewhere and spoke in this manner against the Turkish people and the country! No doubt hundreds of Grey Wolves would have been loaded on police tracks and brought outside the place, to burn all of them alive!


and throw the ashes into The Bosphorus :(
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Postby DT. » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:21 am

I think VP's words were how can we trust you in a democracy? You'll only vote for a greek!!

HA HA
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Postby alexISS » Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:23 am

These are also the kind of "special" minority members, who are in fact guided and sustained by the Ankara regime, that TERRORIZE the Pomak and Roma minorities of Thrace, forcing them to sign all kinds of "statements" declaring their "Turkishness" to artificially alter the demographics of the region
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Postby alexISS » Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:25 am

Kifeas wrote:I cannot even imagine what would have happened to any of the few remaining minority Greeks in Turkey, had they gathered somewhere and spoke in this manner against the Turkish people and the country! No doubt hundreds of Grey Wolves would have been loaded on police tracks and brought outside the place, to burn all of them alive!


This has already happened before, without the gatherings
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:25 am

I have been living in Greece for 33 years and still cannot understand why there is such a large and active Turkish consulate in Komotini, and why its personnel have so much freedom of movement in northern Greece. With the Greek community all but extinguished in Turkey there is no corresponding diplomatic facility required.

There is also the idiotic policy of the past, applied mostly by Karavanades, who could not tell the difference between religion and nationality. That policy pushed the Pomaks and the Gypsies into the Turkish camp.
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Postby zan » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:44 am

Nikitas wrote:I have been living in Greece for 33 years and still cannot understand why there is such a large and active Turkish consulate in Komotini, and why its personnel have so much freedom of movement in northern Greece. With the Greek community all but extinguished in Turkey there is no corresponding diplomatic facility required.

There is also the idiotic policy of the past, applied mostly by Karavanades, who could not tell the difference between religion and nationality. That policy pushed the Pomaks and the Gypsies into the Turkish camp.


What exactly are you guys complaining about.....You constantly boast about democracy and this is part of the system....How these people have been treated and why they are the way they are does not come into the equation I suppose....Trying to knock out the Turkishness from everything they do has got nothing to do with it I suppose.. :roll:

There are similar rallies in the UK and even the "RoC" i believe against foreigners.....How do you deal with them....People doing all they can to get votes and you are surprised.... :roll: :roll: :roll:
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