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[Pyrpolizer]

The majority of Tcs just pray there is some miracle and the Turkish army leaves. They even wait the GCs to show them some indisputable proof that the Turkish Army is no longer necessary. Such is their despair from the treatment they get from them.

I am very sorry guys but even if that miracle happens, are you sure Turkey will leave? Or will you next start wishing for another miracle to happen.

[Kikapu]

At the time, we had justifying reasons to intervene, and today we still have justifying reasons to stay there...Ali Babacan, Turkish Foreign Minister

What reasons have GCs given TCs to persuade them to tell the Turkish Army to go home?? or will the departure mean mayhem and an end to a peaceful exsistence experience by not only TCs and but although they hate to admit it GCs for the last 33 years.

Boy, you sure are so gullible. Ali Baba makes some remarks to justify their presence in Cyprus, and you eat it up as if he is doing you a favour to save your butt..

If you believe what he says, then you must also believe in the " Ali Baba and the 40 thieves" story.

Pretty soon, the "TRNC" will be turned into a "EU Token" to be used to open the "EU Gate" for Turkey to walk through.

I'm sure Turkey will appreciate if you wave those Turkish Flags as they walk into prosperity, and the "TRNC" into oblivion.

So much for your "learned from the past" slogan.

Drop the bullshit and sarcasm for once and answer the question Kikapu.

Since you asked so nicely MR-from-NG, I'll tell you.

What the hell did Turkey and the "TRNC" do for 30 years, before the RoC went into the EU.

For TC's giving a resounding YES to AP is not an answer. That was a NO BRAINER.

Our good friend Pyro once not too long ago asked this very important question, which he never got a good answer for it, and that was, "when did the TC's decided that they wanted peace".? So where were the TC's and Turkey for the first 30 years . Did it become apparent to them, that now that the RoC was in the EU, it was time to change the game strategy, so they got rid of Denktash in a way of a "friendly coup", because a man who has taken 30,000 Donums of GC land in the North was not going to get a YES vote from the GC on the AP referendum. And since the referendum was denied to help Turkey with her EU hopes, and put a stop to legal partition of the "TRNC", Talat, the so called Unification President would rather miss an important July 8th agreement meeting with PapaD over some stupid friendly football game cancellation with shitty team like Luton, so Talat instead goes and watches them at practice. I can at least understand if it was Chelsea or Man United, but a lousy Luton team. That to me showed what Talat is made of, which was "under achiever", just like Luton Town.

So before we start asking what the GC side did for peace, why don't we ask ourselves the same question first.

Any answers MR-from-NG.??

[MR-from-NG]

What reasons have GCs given TCs to persuade them to tell the Turkish Army to go home

A direct answer to a very simple direct question is what I need from you. No diversions or bullshit. You can start like this.

1. The RoC did ............
2. The RoC di..............

and so on , to get my drift?

[Kikapu]

What reasons have GCs given TCs to persuade them to tell the Turkish Army to go home

A direct answer to a very simple direct question is what I need from you. No diversions or bullshit. You can start like this.

1. The RoC did ............
2. The RoC di..............

and so on , to get my drift?

Well, that's very convenient for us, isn't it MR-from-NG.

First we kick out 200,000 GC's from their homes and land, then give most TC's equal amount of GC land in the North of what they left in the South, which they still own by the way, then gave a lot of GC land to the invading army's citizens, i.e. the settlers, then we started selling the GC land to foreigners at dirt cheap prices, as well as TC's buying up their old GC neighbours land and then you ask me what has the RoC offered to the TC's to come to a peace settlement.

If I was the RoC, I would tell us, "Hey, you have taken 37% of Cyprus already, so what else do you want from us to make peace".???

Don't you think it is us who needs to return things back to the RoC before they start returning things back to us, like Political Rights. I don't think the RoC is in any position to offer us anything, until we start giving things back and telling Turkey to go back home. When this can be done, then we can ask for a Federation Government to be formed with 2 states, North and South, but under ONE country.

Before any of the above happens first, I don't expect "jack shit" from the RoC.

[MR-from-NG]

What reasons have GCs given TCs to persuade them to tell the Turkish Army to go home

A direct answer to a very simple direct question is what I need from you. No diversions or bullshit. You can start like this.

1. The RoC did ............
2. The RoC di..............

and so on , to get my drift?

Well, that's very convenient for us, isn't it MR-from-NG.

First we kick out 200,000 GC's from their homes and land, then give most TC's equal amount of GC land in the North of what they left in the South, which they still own by the way, then gave a lot of GC land to the invading army's citizens, i.e. the settlers, then we started selling the GC land to foreigners at dirt cheap prices, as well as TC's buying up their old GC neighbours land and then you ask me what has the RoC offered to the TC's to come to a peace settlement.

If I was the RoC, I would tell us, "Hey, you have taken 37% of Cyprus already, so what else do you want from us to make peace".???

Don't you think it is us who needs to return things back to the RoC before they start returning things back to us, like Political Rights. I don't think the RoC is in any position to offer us anything, until we start giving things back and telling Turkey to go back home. When this can be done, then we can ask for a Federation Government to be formed with 2 states, North and South, but under ONE country.

Before any of the above happens first, I don't expect "jack shit" from the RoC.

Allah bana sabir versin. Man whats wrong with you? You're beginning to sound like Piratis. For heavens sake just answer the fucking question will you.

Were you born a natural bullshitter or you take evening classes or something?

[Viewpoint]

What reasons have GCs given TCs to persuade them to tell the Turkish Army to go home

A direct answer to a very simple direct question is what I need from you. No diversions or bullshit. You can start like this.

1. The RoC did ............
2. The RoC di..............

and so on , to get my drift?

Well, that's very convenient for us, isn't it MR-from-NG.

First we kick out 200,000 GC's from their homes and land, then give most TC's equal amount of GC land in the North of what they left in the South, which they still own by the way, then gave a lot of GC land to the invading army's citizens, i.e. the settlers, then we started selling the GC land to foreigners at dirt cheap prices, as well as TC's buying up their old GC neighbours land and then you ask me what has the RoC offered to the TC's to come to a peace settlement.

If I was the RoC, I would tell us, "Hey, you have taken 37% of Cyprus already, so what else do you want from us to make peace".???

Don't you think it is us who needs to return things back to the RoC before they start returning things back to us, like Political Rights. I don't think the RoC is in any position to offer us anything, until we start giving things back and telling Turkey to go back home. When this can be done, then we can ask for a Federation Government to be formed with 2 states, North and South, but under ONE country.

Before any of the above happens first, I don't expect "jack shit" from the RoC.

Allah bana sabir versin. Man whats wrong with you? You're beginning to sound like Piratis. For heavens sake just answer the fucking question will you.

Were you born a natural bullshitter or you take evening classes or something?

Its inherent you will get lots of hot air and sarcasm but no real answers, why do you even bother this individual is a complete waste of time.

[Nikitas]

You guys nuts or what!

In a post armed conflict period it is the victor that sets the terms. The Turkish army supposedly won the 1974 conflict and achieved all its aims, or so Eceivt said. So what are your demands for peace? In 33 years we are getting the same crap- two peoples, two states etc. If those are your demands, to be fulfilled by the RoC then nothing has happened towards meeting them. For obvious reasons.

Making the Annan plan acceptable to the Greek side was a simple matter for you- hand over the land to be returned to UN administration, so that the final fulfilment of the promises would not be a matter for Turks to decide. You refused. Erdogan said "we got everything we wanted without giving back one square centimeter of land".

The structure of the armed forces in Cyprus is totally offensive on the Turkish side, totally defensive on the Greek side. Turkey has 400 tanks backed up by a full scale NATO style navy and air force that can fly to the island in exactly two minutes. And you dare say you feel threatened!

You passed a constitution that officially abolishes property rights in the north, for Greeks only, thus enshrining a racist clause in your constitution, and your "president" claims that you are the "true Europeans". It is a show of cynicism that defies description and now you are scared that the righful owners will reclaim their land. Of course they will, for the simple reason that it is theirs.

So the RoC has done nothing to submit to racism and forced expropriation and ethnic cleansing. But it does allow ten per cent f your population to enter the free areas every morning to work, in total safety. It allows all of you to have access to the health system of the south (recently classified as one of the top 3 in the EU by the way), it still grants passports and ID s to you with no questions asked. People from the north can set up a business in the south etc etc etc.

And you want more! Fuck off!

[zan]

You guys nuts or what!

In a post armed conflict period it is the victor that sets the terms. The Turkish army supposedly won the 1974 conflict and achieved all its aims, or so Eceivt said. So what are your demands for peace? In 33 years we are getting the same crap- two peoples, two states etc. If those are your demands, to be fulfilled by the RoC then nothing has happened towards meeting them. For obvious reasons.

Making the Annan plan acceptable to the Greek side was a simple matter for you- hand over the land to be returned to UN administration, so that the final fulfilment of the promises would not be a matter for Turks to decide. You refused. Erdogan said "we got everything we wanted without giving back one square centimeter of land".

The structure of the armed forces in Cyprus is totally offensive on the Turkish side, totally defensive on the Greek side. Turkey has 400 tanks backed up by a full scale NATO style navy and air force that can fly to the island in exactly two minutes. And you dare say you feel threatened!

You passed a constitution that officially abolishes property rights in the north, for Greeks only, thus enshrining a racist clause in your constitution, and your "president" claims that you are the "true Europeans". It is a show of cynicism that defies description and now you are scared that the righful owners will reclaim their land. Of course they will, for the simple reason that it is theirs.

So the RoC has done nothing to submit to racism and forced expropriation and ethnic cleansing. But it does allow ten per cent f your population to enter the free areas every morning to work, in total safety. It allows all of you to have access to the health system of the south (recently classified as one of the top 3 in the EU by the way), it still grants passports and ID s to you with no questions asked. People from the north can set up a business in the south etc etc etc.

And you want more! Fuck off!

Nice!!!!!


You know full well that all those "privileges" you list, you have no option but to offer.....You conned the world by submitting the Zurich agreement as your basis for legal status and you now have to live by it..It is as simple as that so stop your bleating about giving us charity for one!!!!

As for the "RoC" doing nothing in racist terms.......Every move it makes against the TC people is racist. We are still being held under siege because we are just that TC's and then we are told that it is not against us but Turkey. You twist and turn all the realities of the situation to suit yourselves but guess what...The game is up. The Akritas Plan tells us and the world everything we need to know as to why the "RoC" even exists. They are there through murder and persecution and will not be allowed to live off that. We are telling the world Nikitas and they are listening. You cannot change the history of the "RoC" and the complacency you show for barely getting into the EU is more false hope on your side. We demand our rights in Cyprus and in history to be heard and reinstated...You have hijacked them for far too long. Roll on the depression.

[Nikitas]

Sorry but that "we are the victims" won't wash anymore. Not since 1974 and the events that have followed.

I lived the events of 1958 in Nicosia, so I know, by direct knowledge, who started what and when. I empathize with those that suffered the same fate in 1963, but to pile on the misery of murder and mayhem while disregarding the events of 1974, then you are obviously more than a little lob sided in your views.

The RoC gives what it does because it has to. What is the Turkish side giving? Instituionalised expropriation. Is the Turkish side exempt from having to treat people like people? This is the inference from what I read above. It is fine to be treated fairly in the south because that is an obligation, whereas the north has no such obligation. What a load of poppyock!

What is the result of the world listening to you? That the practical loss of my hometown will be made official? Is that better or worse for me? How will it change anything? It will not so there is no incentive for the average man on the street in the south to do anything.

[Kikapu]

Allah bana sabir versin. Man whats wrong with you? You're beginning to sound like Piratis. For heavens sake just answer the fucking question will you.

Were you born a natural bullshitter or you take evening classes or something?

I have answered your question in every possible way, but you refuse to hear it, because to you "peace" is only suppose to be offered from the RoC only and not from the "TRNC" as well, so read what I wrote on my last post once again, because I think somehow you have missed it, so here it is again:

Before any of the above happens first, I don't expect "jack shit" from the RoC.

Nikitas has explained everything in fine detail with his post as to the reasons why the RoC does not lift a finger. What do you want them to say, "we approve in what you are doing in the "TRNC" so go ahead and keep it with our blessings".

This is where the problems lies MR-from-NG, that we are putting all the responsibilities on the RoC to come up with all the answers to have peace, when in fact for the first 30 years since 1974, we did not care what the RoC said or wanted, so what has changed for us now. Well, for starters RoC's entry into the EU comes to mind and the BIG stick it now holds over the "TRNC" and Turkey, and despite all this, we are still trying to have a Partition and also trying to get Turkey into the EU through the "back door", and then you ask me what has the RoC has done or did.?

We really must be the "chosen people" to demand such arrogance MR-from-NG. I'm willing to see the whole picture and work with the whole picture, but you and some other TC's only want to see just part of the picture that suits you the best, and then I get accused of being biased. Now, isn't that a kick in the ass.!!!