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Postby MR-from-NG » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:38 pm

Get Real! wrote:
halil wrote:he was a murderer as well !!!

you must be very happy , defending him . İt's shows your quality.


I've lost count how many times I've challenged Turkish Cypriots on this issue and so far nobody has been able to provide a shred of evidence to support this so quit posting rubbish.


How many people did Idi Amin murder? I mean murder personally, I guess none. Is Amin a murderer or not?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:13 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
halil wrote:he was a murderer as well !!!

you must be very happy , defending him . İt's shows your quality.


I've lost count how many times I've challenged Turkish Cypriots on this issue and so far nobody has been able to provide a shred of evidence to support this so quit posting rubbish.


How many people did Idi Amin murder? I mean murder personally, I guess none. Is Amin a murderer or not?

Idi Amin was a military dictator so he had the entire Uganda at his feet but TP was a nobody; just active in PEKA, the political section of EOKA.

Now tell me dear MrFromNg how many people including Turkish Cypriots did Rauf Denktash murder? Are you familiar with TC murderers who had the very unique tendency to also kill their own?
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Postby MR-from-NG » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:26 pm

Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
halil wrote:he was a murderer as well !!!

you must be very happy , defending him . İt's shows your quality.


I've lost count how many times I've challenged Turkish Cypriots on this issue and so far nobody has been able to provide a shred of evidence to support this so quit posting rubbish.


How many people did Idi Amin murder? I mean murder personally, I guess none. Is Amin a murderer or not?

Idi Amin was a military dictator so he had the entire Uganda at his feet but TP was a nobody; just active in PEKA, the political section of EOKA.

Now tell me dear MrFromNg how many people including Turkish Cypriots did Rauf Denktash murder? Are you familiar with TC murderers who had the very unique tendency to also kill their own?


I am indeed aware of murders carried out on TCs by other TCs. A very dear friend who passed away about six years ago had told me some horror stories in which he was personally involved in. He was a very proud active member of TMT and a respected individual. Though he was my senior by many years we were very close and he kept nothing from me.

Still, 2 wrongs don't make a right. The route South Africa took as far as reconciliation goes was the best route. Shame we cannot do the same and all choose to live in denial.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:14 pm

Unfortunately there is no chance anyone becoming a President or Minister or whatever in the government and not already be a crook. If by accident this ever happens then he becomes one early enough or he is kicked out. This happens everywhere in the world, and you bet your chances this is what happens in the occupied too. Although there they got specialised in getting big chunks from Turkey's packages in the past.

People's only chance is to elect an idiot, in fact we elected an idiot once (Kyprianou) but he was such an idiot that the crooks were getting all the loot.

Remember guys these are the people who will "save" us. and they will do so only if the agree to share the loot.... This is the meaning of "political equality".
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Postby zan » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:55 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Unfortunately there is no chance anyone becoming a President or Minister or whatever in the government and not already be a crook. If by accident this ever happens then he becomes one early enough or he is kicked out. This happens everywhere in the world, and you bet your chances this is what happens in the occupied too. Although there they got specialised in getting big chunks from Turkey's packages in the past.

People's only chance is to elect an idiot, in fact we elected an idiot once (Kyprianou) but he was such an idiot that the crooks were getting all the loot.

Remember guys these are the people who will "save" us. and they will do so only if the agree to share the loot.... This is the meaning of "political equality".



That is not a reason to look away Pyro :shock:
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Postby halil » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:08 am

“PAPADOPULOS CONFESSIONS” FROM KLERIDES
Glafkos Klerides, one of the former leaders of Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus, has put off the mask of today’s leader Tassos Papadopulos. Klerides has put forth the fact that Tassos Papadopulos played a big role at the foundation of many problems that have been continuing in Cyprus.

Klerides stated that the Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopulos accepts Cypriot Turks as the minority, adding that he never was convinced to recognise no other rights for Cypriot Turks but minority rights.


Klerides also said that the major parts of the Akritas plan – a plan of Greek Cypriots’ to terminate Cypriot Turks – was written by Papadopulos, and confirmed that he said the infamous sentence of “We will have one hour and 45 minutes to clean up the Turks from Cyprus," during a visit to the American Embassy in 1964.


”What will happen is the recognition of the regime in the North not as a separate sovereignty but on legal grounds”, Klerides also says and adds that, “it will be given for a few years and the separation will come into progress on the base of today’s dividing lines.”


The Greek Cypriot newspaper Politis cited the words of former Greek Cypriot leader Glafkos Klerides about the Cyprus problem published in the book "Glafkos Klerides: The Process of a Country," by Turkish lecturer Niyazi Kızılyürek from the Greek Cypriot University. The paper wrote that Klerides revealed unknown political facts of the period.


According to the book, Klerides said Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopoulos had never seen the Turkish Cypriots as an independent society and thus never agreed to granting them any rights but those of minorities. "Papadopoulos sees the Turkish Cypriots as a minority," Klerides also reportedly said.


Klerides underlines that the 1960 Constitution was functional, that Turkey’s demand was the implementation of the constitution and in that period extremists from both sides held talks to solve the question.


Klerides says that “Tasos Papadopulos has never recognised Cypriot Turks as a society but he believed that they existed in Cyprus Republic as a minority”.


Klerides also says that Turkey’s military government was affected by the American factor, and since the American factor demanded peace in Cyprus, no doubt, and the soldiers’ policy was the functionality of the constitution.


Klerides also said on the same constitution as follows:


”None of the issues were non-exploitable apart from the tax issues as one of the basic issues. Majority was needed on other issues such as elections and municipal taxes. If this issue of taxes was overcome, the state could work.


Turkish side did not vote in favour of an increase on the income taxes because it would bring an extra burden on the Turkish Cypriots. This problem was suggested to be overcome by a suggestion which would meet the educational outgoings of Cypriot Turks and Greeks.


This solution was agreed at talks held with Cypriot Turks and Turkish side asked for a protocol. The protocol was signed by the President, the Speaker of the Parliament, and the speakers of the congregational parliaments, but Greek Cypriot side demanded for a constitutional change. The demands of Greek Cypriots were more emotional than logical, and the leadership of Greek Cypriots (Archbishop Makarios III, Polikarpos Yorgacis and Tasos Papadopulos) wanted to show people that the constitution was being corrected. Despite the positive views that Greek Cypriots took from abroad on whether the protocol would be valid, this question remained unresolved and what happened in 1964 followed. ”


Papadopulos was Against the Federation...


According to Politis Newspaper, the narration on 1975-1976 incidents is one of the attention attracting points of the book. The negotiator of Greek Cypriot side Glafkos Klerides had accepted a two-society and bipartite federation in Cyprus. Constantine Karamanlis did the same thing.


Tasos Papadopulos and Mihalakis Triantafillidis who accompanied Klerides during the negotiations showed an opposing stance against such a resolution and Makarios faced this dilemma.


Klerides resigned from his post of negotiator when the famous map that Klerides had the initiative to present to Rauf Denktaş was published.


Papadopulos’s “Ethnic Cleansing Plan”


What Klerides said on the Greek Cypriot Adminsitration’s present leader Tassos Papadopulos enlightens the blind eyes that believe peace and solution is possible with Greek Cypriots.


Klerides said Tasos Papadopulos was caught while he was making phone calls with various places on the issue of cleaning up the island from Turks in case of an operation in 1964.



Klerides said that “This was also approved by Yorgacis ve Makarios, they told him that he was pushing them to a position where they would be accused of committing crime but they had views of such.” He also confirmed with these words that Papadopulos had said the infamous sentence of “We will have one hour and 45 minutes to clean up the Turks from Cyprus," during a visit to the American Embassy in 1964”, as told in the book of Makarios Drusiotis.


Akritas Plan is a Work of Papadopulos


Klerides replied to questions on the writing of Akritas plan as follows:


I believe that most of the work of writing of the plan in question was done by Tasos Papadopulos rather than Polikarpos Yorgacis. Yorgacis did not have the legal opportunity or the level of education to prepare that document. I think that most of the work was carried out by Papadopulos.”


According to the Politis Newspaper, this evaluation of Klerides is not left ungrounded in the book and Klerides for the first time confessed that he joined the organisation that wanted to continue the EOKA struggle in 1960s for a short while.


Spiros Kiprianu also joined the organisation, not as much as Klerides did but the president of the organisation was Polikarpos Yorgacis and Tasos Papadopulos was his deputy.


Papadopulos Always Said “No”


Klerides told on the pre-1974 ear as follows:


“Whenever there was an effort to create cooperation methods between the two societies, Tasos always said that the Turks needed to understand that they were a minority and they were demanding more than the minority rights. Tasos found everything more than classical minority rights that could be demanded by Turkish Cypriots as too much. He did not have an idea of two societies.”

According to Glafkos Klerides, one of the problems of Tassos papadopulos to agree upon the Annan Plan was the plan’s suggestion of political equity of two societies.


The author of the book Niyazi Kızılyürek said that the solution momentum was lost with the conjuncture came with the European Union membership of Greek Cypriot side, and ended his book with the following words of Klerides:


“What will happen is the recognition of the regime in the North not as a separate sovereignty but on legal grounds”, Klerides also says and adds that, “it will be given for a few years and the separation will come into progress on the base of today’s dividing lines.”

http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/news_read.asp?id=1558
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Postby zan » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:01 am

For those that say that things have changed......The Akritas Plan in action dear readers........Worthy of a thread of it's own Halil..Thanks mate.
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