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[Viewpoint]

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A 'natural memorial' to partition? There are similar views for the DMZ between North and South Korea...

There is not going to be a partition. So it will be a natural memorial to the Peoples Republic of Cyprus.

and if am not mistaken most TC's are secretely yearning unification at best on BBF model. Why not they can have access to EU immediately. As Turkey is moving further from EU membership the best option for TC community is BBF solution.

However, Turkey will not allow the TC's to gain EU membership before it does.

The GCs will not let us have BBF as they are not committied to it a clear indiciation being their resounding rejection of the AP and no return to it.

[Jerry]

VP just as many GC's and many more lived in tents in and after 1974. Not a good argument, that one.

So are you suggesting we shoud be the bigger man and forgive those sins performed against us...not act like our enemies who showed us no mercy and discrminated against us only 44 years? Whats to stop them from doing this if I expose myself to such treatment with any protection??

The answer to your first question is yes and to the rest of your post - would you like yet another history lesson?

[zan]

George,

If we declared tomorrow that half of the contracts would be awarded to Turkish Cypriot and mainland Turkish construction firms, the town would be given back the same day. Politics is noble, but business is lucrative.

Do you mean we as in GCs? bloody cheek you do not have control over it so we decide and can have 100% of the contracts if we ever decide to open it up...why give it back theres no incentive.

VP, when partition occurs and you take that tail of Cyprus for your own 10% Turkish state, will you also accept the position of Muhtar for Galinoporni (Kaleburnu) village in the Karpas peninsula?

The Karpaz region is beautiful we do not have any problems accepting that virgin area....but what will you do if the % is not as you think it is and GCs boost our 18% to 25% or even 29% or discoveries are made that TC land was stolen from TCs and should be returned. I believe you will be sick to your stomache and want to die rather than let TCs have anything on this island. You come accross as someone who is ooking for revenge the first opportunity you get so TCs woudl be wise to take note that Kifeas represents the majority of GCs.

VP, you Kemaloglu Turks are the champions of the most hilarious, kitsch and pervasive nationalism that currently exists on the globe, and no Cypriot can possibly tolerate such a depressive paranoia! No Cypriot (with the exception of Bananiot perhaps) will ever accept to live under the shadow of Kemal’s head in every corner of the block, and to constantly read meaningless slogans such as “Bir Türk Dünya`ya Bedeldir” and "Ne Mutlu Türküm Diyene," painted with large letters on every second hill or mountain of his country! Therefore, do not hope that you will get any percentage boosting from GCs! To the contrary, our estimation is the as many as 50% of the TC community feel like real Cypriots more than Turks, and therefore you are doomed to stay with only 9% for your partitioned state ...if you are lucky!

The same goes for your murderer Makarios......NO TC will live in a country where his name is mentioned let alone statues and celebrations......

[zan]

Now!!!!!

I too believe we should give back all the places that are left unused....We just need to know who to give it to. Once the "RoC" becomes the RoC and decides which constitution it wants to live by then they can have all the ghost towns.

[Nikitas]

Zan,

You give it to the people that own it. It is a questions of individuals not states, this property question.

Now as to Varosha, from what I have read Varush means suburb and it was a word used way back in 1571 when the Turks took over the walled city of Famagusta from the Venetians and expelled the Greek poppulation to live in the suburb or Varush outside the walls. It was a area ravaged by malaria and infertile back then. And it still was all the way to 1945 when we beat malaria. In other words it was not a favor to the Greek Cypriots to be banished to this swamp land.

As a Famagusta boy myself, I know the town like the back of my hand. There were no Turkish Cypriots living outside the walls. There were some shops between the walls and the public administration buildings, near the old college, and I am talking about the 50s now, still under British rule.

Holding on to this totally Greek Cypriot town for 33 years, keeping it empty so it can be used as a bargaining chip is a monument to Turkish cruelty and their bazaar mentality- reflected here with posts referring to incentives and exchanges.

Turkey had a chance to instantly and without any expense to reduce the refugee problem by almost one third, by simply letting the inhabitants of Famagusta return to their homes. The fact that it did not shows who we are dealing with. As to the town today, it is a monument to petty thieving and the plunder culture that seems to reign in the north. Look at the clips of the city and see how the houses have been looted, window and door frames removed etc.

Aas to Viewpoint's protest about who decides what will happen in the town. The individuals that own the property will decide. Whether anyone likes it or not, Famagusta will be returned to its owners eventually. All decisions on this point, in the ECHR, the UN, and the EU are fixed on that. The real reason that it will be given back is because the owners will finance the rebuilding and that will benefit most of all the Turkish Cypriots who will work on the reconstruction. Five billion pounds is too big a prize to turn down- the bazaar mentality will make sure that it is returned.

But to piss everyone off, my house will be rebuilt from prefab panels imported from overseas, with foreign (non Cypriot) workers. Just to get some of my own back against all those assholes who could have settled this non problem and did not.

[DT.]

Zan,

You give it to the people that own it. It is a questions of individuals not states, this property question.

Now as to Varosha, from what I have read Varush means suburb and it was a word used way back in 1571 when the Turks took over the walled city of Famagusta from the Venetians and expelled the Greek poppulation to live in the suburb or Varush outside the walls. It was a area ravaged by malaria and infertile back then. And it still was all the way to 1945 when we beat malaria. In other words it was not a favor to the Greek Cypriots to be banished to this swamp land.

As a Famagusta boy myself, I know the town like the back of my hand. There were no Turkish Cypriots living outside the walls. There were some shops between the walls and the public administration buildings, near the old college, and I am talking about the 50s now, still under British rule.

Holding on to this totally Greek Cypriot town for 33 years, keeping it empty so it can be used as a bargaining chip is a monument to Turkish cruelty and their bazaar mentality- reflected here with posts referring to incentives and exchanges.

Turkey had a chance to instantly and without any expense to reduce the refugee problem by almost one third, by simply letting the inhabitants of Famagusta return to their homes. The fact that it did not shows who we are dealing with. As to the town today, it is a monument to petty thieving and the plunder culture that seems to reign in the north. Look at the clips of the city and see how the houses have been looted, window and door frames removed etc.

Aas to Viewpoint's protest about who decides what will happen in the town. The individuals that own the property will decide. Whether anyone likes it or not, Famagusta will be returned to its owners eventually. All decisions on this point, in the ECHR, the UN, and the EU are fixed on that. The real reason that it will be given back is because the owners will finance the rebuilding and that will benefit most of all the Turkish Cypriots who will work on the reconstruction. Five billion pounds is too big a prize to turn down- the bazaar mentality will make sure that it is returned.

But to piss everyone off, my house will be rebuilt from prefab panels imported from overseas, with foreign (non Cypriot) workers. Just to get some of my own back against all those assholes who could have settled this non problem and did not.

excellent post Nikitas

[oranos64]

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A 'natural memorial' to partition? There are similar views for the DMZ between North and South Korea...

There is not going to be a partition. So it will be a natural memorial to the Peoples Republic of Cyprus.

and if am not mistaken most TC's are secretely yearning unification at best on BBF model. Why not they can have access to EU immediately. As Turkey is moving further from EU membership the best option for TC community is BBF solution.

However, Turkey will not allow the TC's to gain EU membership before it does.

i dont want to rain on your parade ...but plans are already a foot to bring the north of cyprus in to E.U as part of a package the U.S is going to table in 08 ...way before TURKEY ....

also ....Get this 2.4 billion aid package if both communities agree to a solution based on the two communities both agreeing to co exist and accepting the island in the state it is but by working towards a dual nationality system and cross border business solutions ..much like belguim will do in the next two years (for those of you unaware Belguim two ethnic groups want to split )

in others cyprus stays divided,refugees compensated at a fixed rate for all ..Turkish cyps get their half of the island recognised ...E.U and U.S investment opportunities and aid to help both communities standard of living be raised.(money is the best inititive )

long story short ...how many refugees will accept 40-60k ...for their land in compensation ...instead of not getting jack for another 20 years

no one come tell me on this forum but i want todays prices ...because no will ever give you that ..live in the real world ...

safe to say that a good 75% of the Greek cypriots will accept the offers during the 08/09 recession

you read it here first folks

snake and crane was in cyprus with me and was advised of the same solution .....

[DT.]

utu

A 'natural memorial' to partition? There are similar views for the DMZ between North and South Korea...

There is not going to be a partition. So it will be a natural memorial to the Peoples Republic of Cyprus.

and if am not mistaken most TC's are secretely yearning unification at best on BBF model. Why not they can have access to EU immediately. As Turkey is moving further from EU membership the best option for TC community is BBF solution.

However, Turkey will not allow the TC's to gain EU membership before it does.

i dont want to rain on your parade ...but plans are already a foot to bring the north of cyprus in to E.U as part of a package the U.S is going to table in 08 ...way before TURKEY ....

also ....Get this 2.4 billion aid package if both communities agree to a solution based on the two communities both agreeing to co exist and accepting the island in the state it is but by working towards a dual nationality system and cross border business solutions ..much like belguim will do in the next two years (for those of you unaware Belguim two ethnic groups want to split )

in others cyprus stays divided,refugees compensated at a fixed rate for all ..Turkish cyps get their half of the island recognised ...E.U and U.S investment opportunities and aid to help both communities standard of living be raised.(money is the best inititive )

long story short ...how many refugees will accept 40-60k ...for their land in compensation ...instead of not getting jack for another 20 years

no one come tell me on this forum but i want todays prices ...because no will ever give you that ..live in the real world ...

safe to say that a good 75% of the Greek cypriots will accept the offers during the 08/09 recession

you read it here first folks

snake and crane was in cyprus with me and was advised of the same solution .....

so basically you're saying that Turkey gets recognition in the north EU membership and investment and for all that we get 40-60k each.

As we say in Cyprus En o nous sou tjai eksikollisse. (dream on)

[Nikitas]

The American will have to be told that Greek Cypriots are NOT Red Indians! We do not live in reservations!

[Nikitas]

Belgium Oranos is divided along linguistic areas. There is no such thing as partition along territorial lines as is planned for Cyprus by some. There is full recognition of rights of property for all citizens in all parts of Belgium.