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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:20 pm

Why is it that Greek Cypriots always put property first???isnt life and safety more important??
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Postby erolz » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:51 pm

magikthrill wrote:erol,

again...
the innocent victims who lost their lives was a tragic thing no doubt. but this is in the past. the property issue is of the present and of the future.

thats what makes the two situatoins so different...


The situation may be differnt in the terms you outline above but my post was to the statement

"Justice will be served."

which is very similar to your own sig line

"There is no peace without justice; there is no justice without The Right of Return."

So I ask again do these only apply to justice re proporties or to justice (in general) ?

Can we have peace with only justice over property but not anything else? Or does peace require justice on everything?
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Postby uzan » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:06 pm

magikthrill wrote:erol,

again...
the innocent victims who lost their lives was a tragic thing no doubt. but this is in the past. the property issue is of the present and of the future.

thats what makes the two situatoins so different...
Not again, victims who killed was tragic and past.The property was past and tragic to.Can you give my father back to me as a child i saw him killed front of me, can you give my child hood back i grow with out father nooooooooooooo :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Postby Piratis » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:13 am

I don't want to sound mean, but some people use the real (or imaginary) losses of loved ones in the past as an exclude for the violation of human rights of other innocent people, and this is definitely not right.
We have far more GCs that have lost loved ones. Should they demand that the other TCs should loose their property as a revenge?
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:23 am

again property appears to be number one priority for GCs not lives or safety, very strange. :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:39 am

again property appears to be number one priority for GCs not lives or safety, very strange.


So what are you saying? That we either have to chooce lives and safety or property. Is it the "your money or your life" threat you are making?

You illegally occupy our properties and we want them back. If with us you can not feel safety then move out of Cyprus and in this way you will put you safety and life above your property.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:47 am

Look, property is not important in itself, but the sense of where one is from IS. People have had land passed down to them over generations and it has much more meaning than just bricks, mortar or soil. That is why many GC's are so attached to their property or land because it has a far deeper meaning to them. So trying to just look at things in simplistic terms is just false. Many people on both sides lost loved ones and it should not be used as an excuse to stop people having what is rightfully theirs.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:50 am

Dont get annoyed Piratis my family and many Tcs also have property in the South why is that we dont always say get out of our homes, rebuild the ones you knocked down. I would gladly give up my property for a solution and not think twice about it. The safety of my familys lives are far more important than any piece of land, house or money.
We are all the victims of circumstances which led upto 1974 and division, so we are all to blame for the current situation, no side more to blame than the other, but this constant chanting of my property, our homes just projects an image of materialist rather than humanist.
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:59 am

somewhat difficult since under English law a claim against one owner of a property cannot be enforced if the other owner is not involved in whatever claim is being made. For example, a bank cannot foreclose on the joint property of a debtor if the debtor does not have sole title. The mistake made here by the GC lawyer is that he can hope for only half an order, and half ain't worth anything


If they Orams own the property pursuant to a joint tenancy this may severed in Equity. If Mr Orams cannot then buy Mrs Orams share off the judgement creditors the an Equitable order can be sought to sell the house and give Mr Orams his half share.

It would be easy to serve Mr Orams anyway-BIG Deal and if he avoids service the Refugee could seek an order of substituted service.

We need some imput from some Cyprus-Forum Jurists.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:06 am

What are you saying -mikkie2- that we do not have the feeling of belonging??? its not being simplistic its being realistic and adapting to ensure the safety of loved ones. People are born and raised here yet live and die in other countries, they rebuild their lives in a foreign land and adapt to realities. I would also like clarify that I am all for Greek Cypriots getting back rights to their peoperties, be it return or compensation.
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