Birkibrisli wrote:zan wrote:Birkibrisli wrote:zan wrote:Birkibrisli wrote:Dear Zan,
If you applied your own standards to yourself,and took the time to read and digest what this individual is saying,you might come to the conclusion that I came some time ago...This is it: A nation state can only survive if it can provide and control a viable market economy,in order to provide the means for her citizens to avoid poverty or starvation...Hence the conclusion: Cyprus is too small to support two fully functioning and successful nation-states...End of the story...
We can only afford the standards we have within our grasp Bir and if that means that the economy does not run at optimum then we live by our means. We can't have it all ways. The "RoC" has survived without us and will do so your theory does not run true. We will pick our standard and run with that. We are not greedy.
I wasnt concerned about the economy of the RoC,dear Zan.
But if partition happens,those who have the control of the economy in the North will call the shots.If they call the shots they will also dictate how people live in that breakaway state...Judging by what's likely to happen in Turkey in the foreseeable future,get ready to be told every day by those who keep the AKP mentality in power to explain your Islamic credentials and Turkishness...Get ready to be crushed totally and forcibly assimilated into the great nation of devout,godfearing,sheriat-seeking,16th century mentality to your North...All for lacking the courage to stand tall and take your proud place in a fully functioning European democracy,in you own homeland...Mark my words now,because I will not have the heart to tell you "I told you so" in the future..
I will deal with my people problems when, and more importantly IF, they happen. I do not have to run into the arms of a foreign and hostile power to do so.
We have had this discussion many times Bir but you seem so concentrated on your own ideals and are so convinced that I will regret where I am. Your nostalgic view on Cyprus life has no relevance with the realities of change. All things change and Cyprus has and will go on doing so. Turkey will also change and the doom and gloom that you portray I don't share. There is a lot going on at the moment AND YOU ARE TAKING EVERYTHING AT FACE VALUE. You blame an Islamic country for acting like one. You forget the secular part and how the Christian countries are run and that leads you to the conclusion that the Turks must be evil because they are doing the same. Bush and Blair were and are in church every day. The Greek orthodox church has much power in both Greece and the "RoC" but of course in your mind they don't dictate anything. What is it with you that you only see Islam as the threat...I put it down to living in a Christian country and forgetting about the rest of the world. Christian good, Islam bad....is that the way it goes.
You know well, by know, that I ave no religion but it seems I am more tolerant of religions than you are. Turkey is changing in many many ways and instead of fighting to get Turkey into the EU so that the change can be purposeful and head in the right direction you want to jump ship and head into the arms of a scorpion. You are playing games trying to scare the women and children...We prefer to take control of our destiny and not be bounced around like a pin ball. The future iis not determined but asking to be shaped. We have the power to do that. Ask not what your country wants from you but what you want from your country. I know....I aim to fight for it.
Time to quote my favourite saying again>"There is no one as blind as he who refuses to see"...In your case,mate,you are refusing to even look...
In every EU country the religion (Church) is in decline...Very few people take theChurch seriously,and its influence on people's politics are getting less and less...But exactly the opposite is hapenning in Turkey.
What we are witnessing is not a passing thing...It is a decisive shift of political and economic power from the secularists to the Islamists...And this will continue until either the islamist victory is total,or the Military is forced to take power throwing Turkey into economic and political wilderness..Either way the country will turn back the clock of modernity by hundreds of years if the islamists win,and at least 50 years if the Kemalists win...Are you telling me that in the mist of all this your little trnc will be forging ahead on her lonesome towards liberal democracy???
Next time you see a crow turned the other way,because it will be laughing at you...I would laugh too if it wasnt so serious...When you go to bed tonight,pray that you get some backbone by the morning.That might give you the courage to learn to stand on you own two feet,and marching forward in time instead of returning to the dark ages...But you can rest assured i will never say "I told you so"...
Why is it that you are the all seeing eye and oracle of all things Turkish. Can any other Turk have a say in the way things are going or are going to go? You pick up on issues that have been used by the Greek propaganda machine and use them over again to suit you. You really cannot see that the Greek Orthodox Church is still very much in control but the Turkish plight is oh so clear to you. Stop trying to make it sound as if the only way out of this is to run into the arms of a hostile nation that has only gotten there by deception and lies. There are other options and it is up to us to explore them. Your nostalgia has no place in the politics of the situation. You give all the credit to those that chased you out of your own country to make all the right decisions but do not afford a single Turk or Turkish Cypriot the same respect. Of course we are all bad and the button for self destruction has been pressed and we are all going to die. I have no idea at which point you lost all your faith in any Turk ever making a right decision and the self preservation of every human being is the same where ever you go, but I think you should try finding it again. You are insulting every intellectual that dares to call himself a Turk where ever they are. We have hope and we have rights...Neither Si going to be taken away from us. We are as proud as the proudest nations on earth and then some.
If ever you get the chance to tell me "I told you so", please do......If it hasn't killed me, it will have made me stronger.......
