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The long history of ethnic cleansing

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Postby Kifeas » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:23 pm

CopperLine wrote:
as if there were two pre-exiting countries in Cyprus, the Turkish Cyprus and the Greek Cyprus, out of which the existing non-ethnic (minority) populations were transferred (exchanged) between themselves! It is a hilarious, unhistorical, ridiculous and dissemble "assumption!"

They do even claim that the 45,000 TCs from the south were ethnically cleansed, when in fact they had voluntarily moved into the north, not 1974 that Turkey invaded, but in 1975!


Kifeas, with the sole exception of the number 45,000, not a single word of what you've written here can be found in the article I posted and which you are supposedly referring to.


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[The establishment of a legal precedent for ethnic cleansing] is a thoroughly bad and vicious solution [to the problem of national minorities] for which the world will pay a heavy penalty for a hundred years to come.

Lord Curzon
British Foreign Minister, 1923 1

It could not have been predicted when the first Sub-Commission [on the Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities] resolution on population transfer [or ethnic cleansing] was adopted in 1990 that this form of human rights abuse would become so central to conflicts and pressing political issues of which the international community is now seized.

A.S. Al-Khasawneh and R. Hatano
UN Special Rapporteurs, 1993 2
I. Introduction

In the early 1990s a new term entered the language of politics: ethnic cleansing. By 1997 that term was commonplace. It appeared regularly not only in media reports but also in the pronouncements of those international [End Page 817] and nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) concerned with various ethnic conflicts around the globe--be they in the Balkans (Bosnia and Croatia), the Caucasus (Armenia and Azerbaijan), Africa (Somalia and Rwanda) or Asia (Cambodia). Seemingly, ethnic cleansing was a phenomenon of the post-Cold War era: that, at least, was the impression that one received from most writing on the subject--which as of 1997 remained primarily journalistic.

This impression, however, was misleading. In fact, forcibly moving populations defined by ethnicity (race, language, religion, culture, etc.) to secure a particular piece of territory--thereby cleansing that territory of a particular group--has been an instrument of nation-state creation for as long as homogeneous nation-states have been the ideal form of political organization. 3 Since Woodrow Wilson first hailed national self-determination as the organizing principle of the 1919 territorial settlement, 4 ethnic cleansing has affected millions of people around the world. 5 The following are but a few European examples: in the interwar period, 1.5 million Greeks were cleansed from Turkey, 6 400,000 Turks cleansed from Greece, 7 between 92,000 and 102,000 Bulgarians cleansed from Greece, 8 35,000 Greeks cleansed from Bulgaria, 9 67,000 Turks cleansed from Bulgaria 10 ; during World War II and its aftermath, 110,000 Romanians cleansed from Bulgaria, 11 62,000 Bulgarians cleansed from Romania, 12 1.2 million Poles [End Page 818] cleansed from areas incorporated by the German Reich, 13 700,000 Germans cleansed from Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania, Yugoslavia, and Italy and relocated into the Nazi Incorporated Territories of Western Poland, 14 6 million Jews cleansed from Nazi-occupied Europe and eventually exterminated, 15 600,000 Soviet citizens belonging to politically suspect ethnic groups (e.g., Chechens, Tatars, Pontic Greeks) cleansed from their historic homelands on Stalin's orders and relocated beyond the Urals, 16 14 million Germans cleansed from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, and Romania, 17 140,000 Italians cleansed from Yugoslavia, 18 31,000 Hungarians cleansed from Czechoslovakia, 19 33,000 Slovaks cleansed from Hungary; 20 since 1948, 45,000 Turkish Cypriots cleansed from Greek Cyprus, 21 160,000 Greek Cypriots cleansed from Turkish Cyprus, 22 more than 300,000 ethnic Turks cleansed from Bulgaria, 23 2.5 million people displaced as a result of the conflict in former Yugoslavia, many of whom were the victims of ethnic cleansing. 24 It should be emphasized that this list is not exhaustive.

Indeed, in the twentieth century so widespread was the practice of ethnic cleansing or forced population transfer (which is the older expression used to describe those practices associated with ethnic cleansing) and so far-reaching were its consequences that UN Special Rapporteurs A.S. Al-Khasawneh and R. Hatano in their 1993 report The Human Rights Dimensions of Population Transfer offered the following observation: "As much as population transfer has prevailed as an instrument of State-craft in every age in recorded history, ours could be distinguished as the century of the displaced person." 25"
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1. Alfred de Zayas, Nemesis at Potsdam: The Anglo-Americans and the Expulsion of the Germans 11-12 (1979) (quoting Lord Curzon, the British Foreign Minister from 1919 to 1924, a participant at the Lausanne Conference).

2. The Realization of Economic, Social and Cultural Rights: The Human Rights Dimensions of Population Transfer, Including the Implantation of Settlers, U.N. ESCOR, Sub-Comm'n on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities, 45th Sess., Provisional Agenda Item 8, at 85, U.N. Doc. E/CN.4/Sub.2/1993/17 (1993) [hereinafter The Human Rights Dimensions of Population Transfer].

3. While cujus regio ejus religio remained the legitimizing principle in international relations (that is, prior to 1919), there were of course numerous incidents of religious cleansing designed to create homogeneous religious populations within states. See Andrew Bell-Fialkoff, A Brief History of Ethnic Cleansing, 72-1 Foreign Aff. 110 (1993); see also Jennifer Jackson Preece, Minority Rights in Europe: From Westphalia to Helsinki, 23 Rev. Int'l Stud. 75 (1997).

4. Treaty Between the Allied and Associated Powers and Germany, 28 June 1919, U.S.-The British Empire-Fr.-Italy-Japan-Belg.-Bol.-Braz.-P.R.C.-Cuba-Ecuador-Greece-Guat.-Haiti-The Hedjaz-Hond.-Liber.-Nicar.-Pan.-Peru-Pol.-Port.-Rom.-The Serb-Croat-Slovene State-Siam-Czecho-Slovakia-Uru.-Germany, 2 Bevans 43, reprinted in 1 Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Treaties of Peace 1919-1923, at 3 (1924) (known as the Treaty of Versailles).

5. On 11 February 1918 Woodrow Wilson described national self-determination as "an imperative principle of action." See Alfred Cobban, The Nation State and National Self-Determination 53, 57-84 (1970). This thinking was later borne out both in Wilson's Fourteen Points of February 1918 and later in Article X of the League of Nations Covenant. See Wilson's Fourteen Point Speech of 8 Jan. 1918, 1 Foreign Relations of the United States 12ff (Supp. I 1918); League of Nations Covenant art. 10.

6. See Alfred de Zayas, International Law and Mass Population Transfers, 16 Harv. Int'l L.J. 207, 222-23 n.2 (1975).

7. See id.

8. See id.

9. See The Human Rights Dimensions of Population Transfer, supra note 2, at 28 ¶ 120; see also Joseph Rothschild, East Central Europe Between the Two World Wars 328 (1990).

10. See The Human Rights Dimensions of Population Transfer, supra note 2, at 29 ¶ 126.

11. See Eugene M. Kulischer, Europe on the Move: War and Population Changes 1917-1947, at 304 (1948).

12. See id.

13. See Bell-Fialkoff, supra note 3, at 114.

14. See id.

15. See id.

16. See id. at 115.

17. See id.

18. See Kulischer, supra note 11, at 303.

19. See Bell-Fialkoff, supra note 3, at 115.

20. See id.

21. See Anthony Parsons, From Cold War to Hot Peace: UN Interventions 1947-1995, at 178 (1995).

22. See id. at 178-79.

23. See Hugh Poulton, The Balkans: Minorities and States in Conflict 159-60 (1991).

24. See Bell-Fialkoff, supra note 3, at 118.

25. The Human Rights Dimensions of Population Transfer, supra note 2, at 5.


What is this in red?

Doesn't it say that: “45,000 Turkish Cypriots cleansed from Greek Cyprus, 21 160,000 Greek Cypriots cleansed from Turkish Cyprus...!”
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:30 pm

Kifeas,
No it doesn't. Neither does it say that 21 million one hundred and sixty thousand Greek Cypriots were ethnically cleansed. Or that 300,022 ethnic Turks were cleansed from Bulgaria.

You have prefixed the number indicating the footnote to the number the author says were ethnically cleansed. On your reading you shouyld also have been shocked to read that there were 1.6 billion Germans cleansed and 17.1 million Italians cleansed .... you'd have thought we'd have heard about these !
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:36 pm

Can someone help me with Copperline ...I do not want to go crazy!
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Postby DT. » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:37 pm

CopperLine wrote:Kifeas,
No it doesn't. Neither does it say that 21 million one hundred and sixty thousand Greek Cypriots were ethnically cleansed. Or that 300,022 ethnic Turks were cleansed from Bulgaria.

You have prefixed the number indicating the footnote to the number the author says were ethnically cleansed. On your reading you shouyld also have been shocked to read that there were 1.6 billion Germans cleansed and 17.1 million Italians cleansed .... you'd have thought we'd have heard about these !


not about the numbers mate...north cyprus south cyprus
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:43 pm

Kifeas you added the paragraph numbers to the population figures.
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:48 pm

DT,
Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know why the author has put Turkish Cyprus and Greek Cyprus, they are not my word - write to her and point out the need for a correction. Despite that confusion the article seems to me to be a useful comparison (Kifeas/Piratis 'comparison' does not mean identical) regarding states and ethnic cleansing.

For example, we might look at what happened in these other places and to these other people and learn to avoid their mistakes or to learn how they came to a peaceful settlement or resolution.

Almost every where I live and work where there have been massive traumas and human tragedies people think that they are the exceptions, that no one else has been through anything remotely like what we have been through. Many Cypriots are no exception in thinking that theirs is an exceptional experience. And yet when one looks around, and speaks to different peoples, and examines how we are in the circumstances of today you realise that there are lots of commonalities and common histories. That being the case, what can we learn from others.
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Postby DT. » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:54 pm

CopperLine wrote:DT,
Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know why the author has put Turkish Cyprus and Greek Cyprus, they are not my word - write to her and point out the need for a correction. Despite that confusion the article seems to me to be a useful comparison (Kifeas/Piratis 'comparison' does not mean identical) regarding states and ethnic cleansing.

For example, we might look at what happened in these other places and to these other people and learn to avoid their mistakes or to learn how they came to a peaceful settlement or resolution.

Almost every where I live and work where there have been massive traumas and human tragedies people think that they are the exceptions, that no one else has been through anything remotely like what we have been through. Many Cypriots are no exception in thinking that theirs is an exceptional experience. And yet when one looks around, and speaks to different peoples, and examines how we are in the circumstances of today you realise that there are lots of commonalities and common histories. That being the case, what can we learn from others.


i guess the big difference is that other similar situations have now passed whereas this one is still going on and in limbo.

WHat happened to the communities uprooted in Bosnia? Did they return? Was there a happy ending in other places? More importantly was thre closure to the populations that got cleansed?
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:03 pm

Cyprus has a special feature which is missing from other ethnically cleansed areas- Proximity. If yo have been kicked out of Kyrenia and you move to Nicosia you are within cycling distance from your ancestral home. In such circumstances it is not easy to let go and forget as it is for people who left Smyrni in Asia Minor, to move to Smyrni in Attica.

There will have to be generous and substantial compensations for people to forget and relinquish that inner conviction that will have them always on the lookout for a payback opportunity.
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:27 pm

DT, Nikitas,
Thanks for these replies. You see you both raise points which, in comparison to the other cases, may prove important (namely, proximity of those expelled, and the question of return and 'happy ending'). How important is proximity - does it make 'happy ending' more or less likely ? (For example, might this be one of the reasons that that the Palestine question is intractable). Does it mean, for example, that a political settlement should focus on resolving matters for those still on the island and place less emphasis on the grievances of the Cypriot diaspora ? And, yes, what has happened in Bosnia - does the exiled Bosnian population in the rest of Europe now want to return either to Bosnia or other former Yugoslav republics ? Will we see Montenegran property cases coming up before the ECHR or has there been some other way in which the question has been approached ? (I don't know. But there may be lessons).
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Postby DT. » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:53 pm

You raise the issue which we should all be dealing with. Are we dealing with the wrong minorities concerns? Surely the 33% of the population of Cyprus which is a refugee has much more serious grievences than the TC's.

Who says that it should only be ethnic minorities. SHouldn;'t the refugee minority of our nation be protected first above anyone else?
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