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[Kifeas]

Just like erolz CooperLine has also knocked you for 6, more than a match they show you for what you are a bullshitter of the highest degree....you have to compromise otherwise you will get absolutely nothing just like the last 44 years.

"Aei gamisou" Viewpoint, or "Siktir" if you so prefer in Turkish! Idiot! Denktash oglan!

[Viewpoint]

Greeks have a right of self-determination. Turks have a right of self-determination. Belgians have a right of self-determination. Zimbabweans have a right of self-determination. Tamils have a right of self-determination. Inuits have a right of self-determination. Cypriots have a right of self-determination.

Do Greek Cypriots have a right of self-determination ?
Do Turkish Cypriots have a right of self-determination ?

These are separate questions and prior questions to that of how self-determination may be secured. (It is difficult to think of any self-determination movement in modern history that was not assisted to a greater or lesser degree by outside powers).

The answer to both is NO, they do not have a separate self determination right.
The Cypriots as a whole have a self determination right. This includes GCs, Tcs, Maronite Cypriots, Armenian Cypriots, Latin Cypriots etc. None of the communities or minorities of Cyprus complies with the definition of "a people" set by UN.

I am sorry CopperLine but your whole argumentation is based on wrong assumptions.

Haven't you realized yet what role Copperline came here to play! If he is not a nationalist TC or a Turk himself, he definitely one of those Anglo-Saxons that would like to appear "more royalists than the king himself," for there is even a good number of TC intellectuals that do reject this notion of having as TC community a separate self-determination right, outside the overall Cypriot people's one!

His views are no deferent to those of Denktash, the Turkish FM and some English assholes, friends of Denktash, such as Moran, Stephen, Harry Gibbon and CIA; that have become the laughing stock of international law experts for trying to establish a self-determination thesis for the TCs in order to justify and vindicate the illegality and illegitimacy of the Turkish aims in Cyprus!

You are in denial that the GCs are on a collision course with a lifting of isoaltion and permanent partition why not negotiate for a return of land for an agreed split, get your leaders to call for partition on the basis of return of land.

[Viewpoint]

Just like erolz CooperLine has also knocked you for 6, more than a match they show you for what you are a bullshitter of the highest degree....you have to compromise otherwise you will get absolutely nothing just like the last 44 years.

"Aei gamisou" Viewpoint, or "Siktir" if you so prefer in Turkish! Idiot!

Well done those gym and shooting lessons are really paying off,

[Get Real!]

You are in denial that the GCs are on a collision course with a lifting of isoaltion and permanent partition why not negotiate for a return of land for an agreed split, get your leaders to call for partition on the basis of return of land.

No deals with blackmailers VP... just go and live in Turkey or something. Think of all the hassles you'll do away with...

[Kifeas]

Just like erolz CooperLine has also knocked you for 6, more than a match they show you for what you are a bullshitter of the highest degree....you have to compromise otherwise you will get absolutely nothing just like the last 44 years.

"Aei gamisou" Viewpoint, or "Siktir" if you so prefer in Turkish! Idiot!

Well done those gym and shooting lessons are really paying off,

Denktash oglan, Kemaloglu!

[Viewpoint]

You are in denial that the GCs are on a collision course with a lifting of isoaltion and permanent partition why not negotiate for a return of land for an agreed split, get your leaders to call for partition on the basis of return of land.

No deals with blackmailers VP... just go and live in Turkey or something. Think of all the hassles you'll do away with...

No need to go anywhere we belong here in the TRNC but come to think of it you Gcs claim this is Turkey anyway

[DT.]

so basically you're saying that if you acknowledge a self determination right for the TC's you should acknowledge one for the GC's as well.

Shouldn 't this mean that in 1955 at least 82% of this island should rightfully belong to Greece?

[Get Real!]

You are in denial that the GCs are on a collision course with a lifting of isoaltion and permanent partition why not negotiate for a return of land for an agreed split, get your leaders to call for partition on the basis of return of land.

No deals with blackmailers VP... just go and live in Turkey or something. Think of all the hassles you'll do away with...

No need to go anywhere we belong here in the TRNC but come to think of it you Gcs claim this is Turkey anyway

You never told me... did you like your new name "Villopoullos" ?

[Pyrpolizer]

Greeks have a right of self-determination. Turks have a right of self-determination. Belgians have a right of self-determination. Zimbabweans have a right of self-determination. Tamils have a right of self-determination. Inuits have a right of self-determination. Cypriots have a right of self-determination.

Do Greek Cypriots have a right of self-determination ?
Do Turkish Cypriots have a right of self-determination ?

These are separate questions and prior questions to that of how self-determination may be secured. (It is difficult to think of any self-determination movement in modern history that was not assisted to a greater or lesser degree by outside powers).

The answer to both is NO, they do not have a separate self determination right.
The Cypriots as a whole have a self determination right. This includes GCs, Tcs, Maronite Cypriots, Armenian Cypriots, Latin Cypriots etc. None of the communities or minorities of Cyprus complies with the definition of "a people" set by UN.

I am sorry CopperLine but your whole argumentation is based on wrong assumptions.

Haven't you realized yet what role Copperline came here to play! If he is not a nationalist TC or a Turk himself, he definitely one of those Anglo-Saxons that would like to appear "more royalists than the king himself," for there is even a good number of TC intellectuals that do reject this notion of having as TC community a separate self-determination right, outside the overall Cypriot people's one!

His views are no deferent to those of Denktash, the Turkish FM and some English assholes, friends of Denktash, such as Moran, Stephen, Harry Gibbon and CIA; that have become the laughing stock of international law experts for trying to establish a self-determination thesis for the TCs in order to justify and vindicate the illegality and illegitimacy of the Turkish aims in Cyprus!

Chill out kifeas. This is just a discussion forum... You are destroying all the validity of your argumentation by resorting to name calling. This is a BIG MISTAKE and you are doing it over and over again. Learn something from Katsourides. Become a rock, speak emotionlessly.

[Pyrpolizer]

You are in denial that the GCs are on a collision course with a lifting of isoaltion and permanent partition why not negotiate for a return of land for an agreed split, get your leaders to call for partition on the basis of return of land.

Yes we know you are totally incompetent and your last hope is maybe the GCs will bring you the partition you so desire. But hold on what will happen if the GCs fail to respond???



























































What would be next? Some water level will rise, no?