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[Kifeas]

If RoC tried to come to some settlement with TRNC/Turkey ....

"Some settlement with TRNC...." What a pile of rubbish again! What is this "TRNC," to try to come to a settlement with? Copperline, cut the garbage! There is no "TRNC," set aside a party in any negotiations for settlement! In case you have not discovered it yet, the parties in the negotiations are the GC community on the one hand and the TC community on the other, when it comes to the internal political /constitutional parameters of the solution; and the RoC vs. Turkey when it comes to the international aspects of it! If you haven't realised this yet, and you talk about "TRNC" as a party, then what is the point of taking you seriously anyway! Learn the terms, vocabulary and rules of engagement first, before coming here to talk!

You and your Turk hater leader may be stuck in labels and terminology but the bottom line is you have to negotiate end of, otherwise you will not get anything, zilch...even Christofiyas has said that the island is fast going towards partition.

Partition will only happen when you withdraw to 18% (-) of Cyprus territory! Anything else, is "your own Bayram, in your own heads!"

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas,
If TRNC is not a party then who was that chap Talat who Tpap was talking to a couple of weeks ago ? If TRNC is not a party why is it that the UN and EU keep insisting on getting negotiations up and running again between the parties ? If the TRNC is not a party why is there a bloody great barrier running across the island ?

Who represents the TC community as a party ? The govt of the TRNC. You might not like it, I might not like it, but that is who the TC party is.

Learn the language, learn the distinction between de facto and de jure "before coming here to talk" as you so kindly put it.

Oh c'mon! You are such a numskull!

Who talks about "TRNC" as a party in any negotiations? Do the UN? Does the EU? Does the UK? Who, outside the Turkish newspapers and politicians? Show me one single official document by any of the above entities that make reference to a “TRNC!” Did you ever read a single UN resolution on Cyprus?

Talat is the recognised leader of the TC COMMUNITY, and it is under this capacity that he enters negotiations with the leader of the GC community, and not under any capacity of any sort of “president” of any "TRNC!" “TRNC" is an invalid entity, by UN resolutions! It cannot possibly constitute a party in any agreement! Even the Annan plan did not talk about "TRNC," as an existing entity -set aside a party in the then proposed agreement! Any agreement on Cyprus can only be between the two communities! The two communities do not constitute territorial entities, set aside state ones! Read the RoC constitution to understand what the terms "communities" mean, and who their representatives are or can be! I am afraid you are a numskull with zero knowledge on international law and affairs, to make such claims and even insist on top of them, when the facts are entirely different!

Kifeas if one day the TRNC were to be recognized I truly believe you would die from your jealously, hate, venom call it what you will but you have to realize we are here and we are not going anywhere we will fight our corner as well....if there is no hope with unification then where do you expect us to go? the moment the world realize that this problem is insolvable due to one reason or another but main down to GC intransigence then recognition will come and you will not be able to stop it , it will be to late. Your attitude if prevalent of those in the 1960s where they showed no flexibility of desire to share only to rule and dominate, well stuff you people you can keep looking at the flag on the mountain for all ı care for next zillion years I wont be around and nor will you. The quality of life and personal contentment are more important than being able to play a football match or have our post come direct, if this is the price for not having to endure the disgrace and unease of being forced to live in a GC state as a minority then many TCs are willing to pay a 1000 times more then the current isolation, that you have yet to realize and will be your down fall with trying to gt back what you so stupidly lost in the past.

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

The Republic of Artsakh will be recognized before the muppet state.

[Pyrpolizer]

The same blah blah.
The fact is is your side that refuses to negotiate. All they do is just public announcements all over the media that they are ready, those who "know" know very well you are all public statements and no action.
As for refusing to live under GC control and the usual rhetoric, I wonder which minority would ever chose otherwise if it had someone grab 1/3+ of a country ethically cleans it and donate it to them.
The problem is you will never get legal status and you will be paying day in day out the cost for your illegality. You already do and you know it. You are having a GNP of 10,000 whereas you could have double as much... Continue.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,
If TRNC is not a party then who was that chap Talat who Tpap was talking to a couple of weeks ago ? If TRNC is not a party why is it that the UN and EU keep insisting on getting negotiations up and running again between the parties ? If the TRNC is not a party why is there a bloody great barrier running across the island ?

Who represents the TC community as a party ? The govt of the TRNC. You might not like it, I might not like it, but that is who the TC party is.

Learn the language, learn the distinction between de facto and de jure "before coming here to talk" as you so kindly put it.

Oh c'mon! You are such a numskull!

Who talks about "TRNC" as a party in any negotiations? Do the UN? Does the EU? Does the UK? Who, outside the Turkish newspapers and politicians? Show me one single official document by any of the above entities that make reference to a “TRNC!” Did you ever read a single UN resolution on Cyprus?

Talat is the recognised leader of the TC COMMUNITY, and it is under this capacity that he enters negotiations with the leader of the GC community, and not under any capacity of any sort of “president” of any "TRNC!" “TRNC" is an invalid entity, by UN resolutions! It cannot possibly constitute a party in any agreement! Even the Annan plan did not talk about "TRNC," as an existing entity -set aside a party in the then proposed agreement! Any agreement on Cyprus can only be between the two communities! The two communities do not constitute territorial entities, set aside state ones! Read the RoC constitution to understand what the terms "communities" mean, and who their representatives are or can be! I am afraid you are a numskull with zero knowledge on international law and affairs, to make such claims and even insist on top of them, when the facts are entirely different!

Kifeas if one day the TRNC were to be recognized I truly believe you would die from your jealously, hate, venom call it what you will but you have to realize we are here and we are not going anywhere we will fight our corner as well....if there is no hope with unification then where do you expect us to go? the moment the world realize that this problem is insolvable due to one reason or another but main down to GC intransigence then recognition will come and you will not be able to stop it , it will be to late. Your attitude if prevalent of those in the 1960s where they showed no flexibility of desire to share only to rule and dominate, well stuff you people you can keep looking at the flag on the mountain for all ı care for next zillion years I wont be around and nor will you. The quality of life and personal contentment are more important than being able to play a football match or have our post come direct, if this is the price for not having to endure the disgrace and unease of being forced to live in a GC state as a minority then many TCs are willing to pay a 1000 times more then the current isolation, that you have yet to realize and will be your down fall with trying to gt back what you so stupidly lost in the past.

The price VP, will be for Turkey and its 75 million people to remain isolated and forever waiting at EU's door, but even worst for Cyprus, it will mean no peace and more bloodshed for future generations! You and your motherland have no clue of what you are doing, and how unethical you are and have been!

[zan]

Kifeas,
If TRNC is not a party then who was that chap Talat who Tpap was talking to a couple of weeks ago ? If TRNC is not a party why is it that the UN and EU keep insisting on getting negotiations up and running again between the parties ? If the TRNC is not a party why is there a bloody great barrier running across the island ?

Who represents the TC community as a party ? The govt of the TRNC. You might not like it, I might not like it, but that is who the TC party is.

Learn the language, learn the distinction between de facto and de jure "before coming here to talk" as you so kindly put it.

Oh c'mon! You are such a numskull!

Who talks about "TRNC" as a party in any negotiations? Do the UN? Does the EU? Does the UK? Who, outside the Turkish newspapers and politicians? Show me one single official document by any of the above entities that make reference to a “TRNC!” Did you ever read a single UN resolution on Cyprus?

Talat is the recognised leader of the TC COMMUNITY, and it is under this capacity that he enters negotiations with the leader of the GC community, and not under any capacity of any sort of “president” of any "TRNC!" “TRNC" is an invalid entity, by UN resolutions! It cannot possibly constitute a party in any agreement! Even the Annan plan did not talk about "TRNC," as an existing entity -set aside a party in the then proposed agreement! Any agreement on Cyprus can only be between the two communities! The two communities do not constitute territorial entities, set aside state ones! Read the RoC constitution to understand what the terms "communities" mean, and who their representatives are or can be! I am afraid you are a numskull with zero knowledge on international law and affairs, to make such claims and even insist on top of them, when the facts are entirely different!

Kifeas if one day the TRNC were to be recognized I truly believe you would die from your jealously, hate, venom call it what you will but you have to realize we are here and we are not going anywhere we will fight our corner as well....if there is no hope with unification then where do you expect us to go? the moment the world realize that this problem is insolvable due to one reason or another but main down to GC intransigence then recognition will come and you will not be able to stop it , it will be to late. Your attitude if prevalent of those in the 1960s where they showed no flexibility of desire to share only to rule and dominate, well stuff you people you can keep looking at the flag on the mountain for all ? care for next zillion years I wont be around and nor will you. The quality of life and personal contentment are more important than being able to play a football match or have our post come direct, if this is the price for not having to endure the disgrace and unease of being forced to live in a GC state as a minority then many TCs are willing to pay a 1000 times more then the current isolation, that you have yet to realize and will be your down fall with trying to gt back what you so stupidly lost in the past.

The price VP, will be for Turkey and its 75 million people to remain isolated and forever waiting at EU's door, but even worst for Cyprus, it will mean no peace and more bloodshed for future generations! You and your motherland have no clue of what you are doing, and how unethical you are and have been!

You reduce us to minority status by force and then accuse us of being unethical. Hahahahhahaaaa! We are 30% share holding partners in Cyprus Ltd mate.....Give us back our rights and our status and stop all your legal jargon crap. You have conned the world by putting up a constitution that you had no intention of honouring in 1960 and have no intention of honouring now.[/code]

[Nikitas]

Give you back your rights in what? The 30 per cent or the remaining 70 per cent? If you are a 30 per cent partner aren't you a minority shareholder?

[zan]

Give you back your rights in what? The 30 per cent or the remaining 70 per cent? If you are a 30 per cent partner aren't you a minority shareholder?

30% would be considered as a major share holder Nikitas but as usual you prefer to downgrade us for reasons known all over the world. As for where and when...Ask your own corrupt leader if he will accept us as in the original Zurich agreement...Let me know what he says will you!!!!!

[Nikitas]

The only power downgrading Turkish Cypriots is Turkey. Read Erdogan's statements about the emigration of Turkish Cypriots from the north. According to him it is no problem, because Turkey has plenty of people to put there. Such a cynical statement was never made by even the most diehard Enosis men of the Greek side.

[zan]

The only power downgrading Turkish Cypriots is Turkey. Read Erdogan's statements about the emigration of Turkish Cypriots from the north. According to him it is no problem, because Turkey has plenty of people to put there. Such a cynical statement was never made by even the most diehard Enosis men of the Greek side.

No!!! They just murdered the ones that decided to stay and fight for all Cypriots...Funny that isn't it