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[Kifeas]

Deniz, I do not know what you are trying to suggest! Are you suggesting -like Halil perhaps does, that even though we knew dump well what Turkey's aims and intentions were; we should have never taken any defensive measures with the formation of the National Guard in 1964, simply because -as Halil suggests, Turkey did not have yet occupied Cyprus (until after 1974,) but it only had plans and doing exercises to do so instead?

Are you suggesting (as Halil does) that, despite the fact that the formulation of a Cypriot army under the 1960 constitution had failed; we should have never formed a GC army because it was outside the constitution, and therefore “illegal;” as if Turkey’s threats, plots, plans, maps and exercises were all “legal!”

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, I do not know what you are trying to suggest! Are you suggesting -like Halil perhaps does, that even though we knew dump well what Turkey's aims and intentions were; we should have never taken any defensive measures with the formation of the National Guard in 1964, simply because -as Halil suggests, Turkey did not have yet occupied Cyprus (until after 1974,) but it only had plans and doing exercises to do so instead?

Are you suggesting (as Halil does) that, despite the fact that the formulation of a Cypriot army under the 1960 constitution had failed; we should have never formed a GC army because it was outside the constitution, and therefore “illegal;” as if Turkey’s threats, plots, plans, maps and exercises were all “legal!”

I am sugesting that every counry in the world has plans with regards to their neighbiours. You should not be surprised at this.
As to what Halil is disputing, as you well know, yet choose to attack his English, is the legality of the RoC National Guard. It is news to me that the present NG goes under the name of 'Side Constitional Army'.

[halil]

Deniz, I do not know what you are trying to suggest! Are you suggesting -like Halil perhaps does, that even though we knew dump well what Turkey's aims and intentions were; we should have never taken any defensive measures with the formation of the National Guard in 1964, simply because -as Halil suggests, Turkey had not yet occupied Cyprus but it only had plans and doing exercises instead?

Are you suggesting that –as Halil does, despite the fact that the formulation of a Cypriot army under the 1960 constitution has failed, we should have never formed a GC army because it was outside the constitution and therefore “illegal;” as if Turkey’s threats, plots, plans, maps and exercises were all “legal!”

stop playing with words.
GC army was there before 1974 to attack our defenceless villages. The guns they were using are on the museum now. Russian made tanks and artilaries . To protect ourself we did have only hunting guns and old British riffles.
above things are not excuse for me That Turkey has got rights to occupied whole Cyprus.We didn't try to change 1960 constitution. İf it was'nt fair for u , u should not sign the 1960 agreements.Once u sign it , u should be behind it.

[Nikitas]

Kifea,

You never fail to amaze me and your posts always enrich my knowledge and/or vocabluary. Thank you for the word aerogamies, I never came across it before but believe me I will be using it in the future.

To add my two cents (Euro naturally) worth. It is nonsense for any modern state to say it will be demilitarized, much more so when that statement is made before the drafting of a charter of establishment and constitution. Beyond all current problems, when things are fully settled, there will always be a need for armed forces. An island nation will have to protect its offshore natural resources, fisheries, sea lanes, carry out rescue missions, anti drug patrols etc. The armed forces that will do that in the future will benefit from the experiences of the national guard. being demilitarized is like being not fully grown up, in a sort of immature child state. Those politicians that propose it reaise my suspicions about their sanity and sincerity.

[free_cyprus]

1st oct the worse day of cyprus history, the day we gave our independence away the day cyprus was sold to turkey greece and britain and we are going to celebrate this is this waht you call 1st oct celebration lol what joke

[DT.]

Deniz, I do not know what you are trying to suggest! Are you suggesting -like Halil perhaps does, that even though we knew dump well what Turkey's aims and intentions were; we should have never taken any defensive measures with the formation of the National Guard in 1964, simply because -as Halil suggests, Turkey had not yet occupied Cyprus but it only had plans and doing exercises instead?

Are you suggesting that –as Halil does, despite the fact that the formulation of a Cypriot army under the 1960 constitution has failed, we should have never formed a GC army because it was outside the constitution and therefore “illegal;” as if Turkey’s threats, plots, plans, maps and exercises were all “legal!”

stop playing with words.
GC army was there before 1974 to attack our defenceless villages. The guns they were using are on the museum now. Russian made tanks and artilaries . To protect ourself we did have only hunting guns and old British riffles.
above things are not excuse for me That Turkey has got rights to occupied whole Cyprus.We didn't try to change 1960 constitution. İf it was'nt fair for u , u should not sign the 1960 agreements.Once u sign it , u should be behind it.

this in the same way you honoured the 1960 agreements with the 2nd invasion? More recently is this the same way you honour the 8th julu agreement? Read what your own TC press says about this.

[Get Real!]

Will you be wearing a uniform?

I'll be proudly standing on the VIP stage just behind the president in an Armani suit and Carrera glasses...

Are you his bodyguard? . . . mmmm like Kevin Costner

Hmm, maybe they should also include the cyber squad in the parade and we could then march in Armani suits and an open laptop in one hand...

You'd have GR, Piratis, Pyro, and Kifeas in the front row and DT and a few others in the second row pulling a cage on wheels containing VP, Zan, Eric, Ottoman, and a few other renegades!

I'm not pulling fat cartman...Get somoene else to pull your cage. Bloody GattouRris forgets I outrank him.

My dear DiropiTta I have a new protagonistic role for you... you can LEAD the Cyber Squad carrying this flag...

[Get Real!]

i am not satisfied with above answers.

Dear Halil Bayrak, first of all, before rushing like a tele-guided missile to decide that you are not satisfied with the above "answers," please ask yourself whether your knowledge of English is enough to have allowed you to understand what I have written in the first place!

If not (most likely,) then wait until you learn better English, and then read again what I said, and then proceed to tell us whether you are satisfied or not!

Dear KİFO'ş i do understand every line of it.
Those excuses does not clear your unbiased claims.Before 1974 there wasn't any Turkish Army occupation But National Guard army formed before 1974 . Against to who ?

1959 treaty clearly says:

14. Compulsory military service may only be instituted with the agreement of the President and the Vice-President of the Republic of Cyprus. Cyprus shall have an army of 2,000 men, of whom 60 per cent. shall be Greek and 40 per cent. Turkish. The security forces (gendarmerie and police) shall have a complement of 2,000 men, which may be reduced or increased with the agreement of both the President and the Vice-President The security forces shall be composed as to 70 per cent. of Greeks and as to 30 per cent. of Turks. However, for an initial period this percentage may be raised to a maximum of 40 per cent. of Turks (and consequently reduced to 60 per cent. of Greeks) in order not to discharge those Turks now serving in the police, apart from the auxiliary police.

But why do you bring this up dear Halil? You do not recognize those agreements so forget about them...

[Get Real!]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.


Well done GR!!!! You and your imaginary friend have managed a new low......Bravo!!!

What's up Zanny dear don't you like getting all the attention from the crowd while howling out something about EOKA and ENOSIS from the cage? I thought attention is what you wanted...

[Get Real!]

RoC National Guard military parade...

REPUBL?C OF CYPRUS

Isn't that in the "South" of Cyprus.........

Don't speculate uneducated traitor . . just have a look on a Map!

Simple question
Why ROC army has got below emblem

My sentiments exactly. I await GRs explanation. He will come up with something, I hope?

What exactly is the question? It's just the National Guard insignia...
Did you expect to find a red and white one?