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[Nikitas]

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You did not read my post carefully. I said if in the north I can have the same treatment as Turkish Cypriots receive TODAY in the south. You overlook that and tell me I can be a guest. You also do not make it clear if the people in power are Cypriots or not. When Turkish Cypriots come to the south they do not ever face a mainland Greek in any of their dealings. That is because while you managed to have ENOSIS in the north, we managed to avoid it in the south.

[utu]

I saw a documentary a few months ago on Cyprus, and it showed what was said to be a G/C being interviewed. He was an enclaved one living in the Karpass Peninsula, according to the documentary. The next scene showed a T/C policeman demanding to know from this individual what he had said to the interviewer. I don't really know what to make of it as it could be indicative of official harassment of T/C authorities on a G/C, but since the second part (the harassment) was filmed openly (in other words the policeman knowing that the interviewer and cameraman was present), why would such a thing be allowed to be filmed like that? I must admit, I don't really know what to think. It could have been an oversight, the T/C authorities allowing that footage to be shown, or could it have been staged...?

[Nikitas]

UTU

It is possible that it was staged. My experience with filming documentaries teaches me that it is best to approach them all with maximum caution.

That aside, the treatment of the people in the Karpasia area has been disgusting. In 1974 there were 14000 Greek Cypriots there. Today there are a few hundred. The means used to push them out show what we are dealing with and the true nature of the ethnic cleansing and property theft goin on the north. The more you learn of the inner workings of this so called "state" in the north the more you see similarities with corrupt regimes of the third world. Read comments by Turkish Cypriot commentators and opposition politicians for confirmation. They cannot be accused of staging or manufacturing their argument as can be said for us Greek Cypriots. What is more these people live and work in the north and have a more direct knowledge of conditions there.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint

You did not read my post carefully. I said if in the north I can have the same treatment as Turkish Cypriots receive TODAY in the south. You overlook that and tell me I can be a guest. You also do not make it clear if the people in power are Cypriots or not. When Turkish Cypriots come to the south they do not ever face a mainland Greek in any of their dealings. That is because while you managed to have ENOSIS in the north, we managed to avoid it in the south.

I apologise maybe I am not being to clear here if GCs want to come to settle in the TRNC today then they will have to abide by all the laws that apply to foreigners wanting to settle here as recognized or not we have our own system. You may say well I do not want to be regarded as a foreigner in my own country, well when you come to the TRNC you are, sorry but thats the way it is for now. If you wish to change this and obtain as you say all the rights given to TCs in south then there has to be a level playing field where the rights are equal on both sides eg recognition of both states, airport on both sides, land purchase laws on both sides, in order to do this there has to a comprehensive solution to agree these issues but for now you can come live here but like you would in other country, you would have to abide by the laws of that country. The choice is yours, you may come today or put pressure on your leaders to agree a levelling out on both sides of the border, so that we are equals. Otherwise my invite to come settle in the TRNC is still open ther eis nothing stopping you but your own fears and concerns, there are 10.000 Brits who live in the TRNC and they have no problems why should you?

[Nikitas]

You are describing in the north what Enosis would be like for you if we had united with Greece. Enosis with a big dose of Taksim.

The 10 000 Brits who live there have a slight difference from me- they were not born there. Neither can their family roots be traced back cenuries as mine can.

[Viewpoint]

You are describing in the north what Enosis would be like for you if we had united with Greece. Enosis with a big dose of Taksim.

The 10 000 Brits who live there have a slight difference from me- they were not born there. Neither can their family roots be traced back cenuries as mine can.

Hello Nikitas, we are divided have been for 33 years its you guys who refuse to accept this fact, called it what you wish things have moved on even in the TRNC and will continue to do so unless you see sense and compromise to accomadate all our concerns. The Brits example was to give you an indication that these people live here quite freely and are safe you have nothing to fear in that respect as many GCs would like to make you believe otherwise.

[Jerry]

You are describing in the north what Enosis would be like for you if we had united with Greece. Enosis with a big dose of Taksim.

The 10 000 Brits who live there have a slight difference from me- they were not born there. Neither can their family roots be traced back cenuries as mine can.

Hello Nikitas, we are divided have been for 33 years its you guys who refuse to accept this fact, called it what you wish things have moved on even in the TRNC and will continue to do so unless you see sense and compromise to accomadate all our concerns. The Brits example was to give you an indication that these people live here quite freely and are safe you have nothing to fear in that respect as many GCs would like to make you believe otherwise.

Why don't you be honest for once VP and say "what we have taken by force we are going to keep because Turkey says we can"

[Viewpoint]

You are describing in the north what Enosis would be like for you if we had united with Greece. Enosis with a big dose of Taksim.

The 10 000 Brits who live there have a slight difference from me- they were not born there. Neither can their family roots be traced back cenuries as mine can.

Hello Nikitas, we are divided have been for 33 years its you guys who refuse to accept this fact, called it what you wish things have moved on even in the TRNC and will continue to do so unless you see sense and compromise to accomadate all our concerns. The Brits example was to give you an indication that these people live here quite freely and are safe you have nothing to fear in that respect as many GCs would like to make you believe otherwise.

Why don't you be honest for once VP and say "what we have taken by force we are going to keep because Turkey says we can"

Tom if it makes you feel better here you go "what we have taken by force we are going to keep because Turkey says we can" that make you feel better? Better force than annihalation of the TCs...

[max69er]

Although GCs want us to accept minority rights in a GC state they are reluctant to reverse the table an become a minority in a TC state, why is that??

First of all, as Kifeas said, there is no "GC state" but a Cypriot state where GCs happen to be the majority and TCs the minority.

We didn't ask you to become a minority in Cyprus. You are the ones who choose to invade us and come here, remember? So if you don't like the fact that you are a minority in Cyprus then go back from where you came from.

Based on what you are asking the GCs who outnumber the TCs 1 to 5 in every part of Cyprus, to become a minority? Do you think we are still living under the Ottoman rule?

erm one min cyprus belonged to Turkey anyway but the englsih didnt hand it back over after renting cyprus and gave it to you. what would you have done if u were in our place? wouldnt you come to get what belongs to you back?

[Kifeas]

Although GCs want us to accept minority rights in a GC state they are reluctant to reverse the table an become a minority in a TC state, why is that??

First of all, as Kifeas said, there is no "GC state" but a Cypriot state where GCs happen to be the majority and TCs the minority.

We didn't ask you to become a minority in Cyprus. You are the ones who choose to invade us and come here, remember? So if you don't like the fact that you are a minority in Cyprus then go back from where you came from.

Based on what you are asking the GCs who outnumber the TCs 1 to 5 in every part of Cyprus, to become a minority? Do you think we are still living under the Ottoman rule?

erm one min cyprus belonged to Turkey anyway but the englsih didnt hand it back over after renting cyprus and gave it to you. what would you have done if u were in our place? wouldnt you come to get what belongs to you back?

It belonged to whom? Turkey? Do you have the kocan to show it to us?

Is this what they teach you in Turkish schools in the north, be kurabiye, "that Cyprus belonged to Turkey?"

And we Cypriots, did we also "belong" to Turkey?