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VP why dont the TC"s just give the Armenian section of Lefkosia that they stole back. That way Kifeas doesnt have to come live under your Turkish rule,which is less likely then a Greek Cypriot moving into the muppet state.

You sided with GCs so feel free to ask them for what you want, whatever rights they agree wiith us in the north I am certain you to will benefit.

[Viewpoint]

Although GCs want us to accept minority rights in a GC state they are reluctant to reverse the table an become a minority in a TC state, why is that??

First of all, as Kifeas said, there is no "GC state" but a Cypriot state where GCs happen to be the majority and TCs the minority.

We didn't ask you to become a minority in Cyprus. You are the ones who choose to invade us and come here, remember? So if you don't like the fact that you are a minority in Cyprus then go back from where you came from.

Based on what you are asking the GCs who outnumber the TCs 1 to 5 in every part of Cyprus, to become a minority? Do you think we are still living under the Ottoman rule?

There is a total GC state called "RoC" who runs it? who elects your representatives? who represents you abroad? who runs your country? obviously GCs....if you are blind to this fact then that's your problem not mine.

I come from the island of Cyprus and I belong here so I and other TCs will not be going anywhere.

What we are asking for is our share if this is 18 you know I am even willing to reduce to this size but only certain land disputes issues have been settled by independent international experts, the finding fo which we will all agree to without any objections.

[Pyrpolizer]

Let's number down the reasons:
1)the occupied area is just that an occupied area where my rights as a GC are in practice violated and reduced to just the rights of a tourist.
2)The visa they will issue me says I cannot work anywhere.
3)There is no way I will get equal citizen rights (only tourist/visitor/money spender rights
4)Even if they give me residence permit, that will be an exception to the rule, I will have to ask for permit for everything, to operate a church, to open a bussiness like a restaurant or hotel, etc etc. A GC enclaved living in Karpaz area got a licence from the local settler muhtar to open a restaurant in partnership with a British. When the reastaurant finished and the man spent his lifetime savings the local settler muhtar said "I changed my mind your license is canceled". This is the treatment I would expect
5)I will have to suffer 24 hours a day the feeling of shame staring day in day out the stealing and exploitation of GC properties not only by TCs but by settlers, and crooky foreigners British, Israelis etc. In case I would be living in my own village/town I would suffer this trauma even staring at my own parental home and lands been teared off by all those hyenas
6)Who governs the place is not important for my everyday life. But if the one who governs it deprives me almost all the rights I would otherwise have considered for granted in any other EU country that is really a problem. And this is exactly how my life would be in the occupied.
7)What reason would I have to go living in the occupied? Assuming the reason is a) sentimental i.e to live in my childhood village the psychological shame I would feel everyday would strike out any pleasant feeling Assuming the reason is b) to have a better life that what I already have in the areas controlled by the Republic:The answer is obvious, my life there will be degraded in all aspects be it social, economic, freedom.
As for my safety, just forget it.
9)Access to everyday consumer and entertainment outlets like Orphanides, Alpha Mega, Ikea, Starbacks will be gone unless I have to undergo daily humiliations and exhuberant spendings at the so called border stations the occupied regime has set to boast for its existence.
10)I will have to watch the thousands of red flags flying even on toilets. Man is there a place you haven't thought of flying flags in the occupied?
If I will be living at the foot of the mountain I would have to suffer the blinking of the idiotic las vegas flag on the mountain.
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1001. I will be a lonely person, an outsider, a foreigner in my own country, in my own village, in my own hometown.

[humanist]

raiseurfist

This post is plain stupid

dito[/quote]

[Viewpoint]

So according to VP, when an area is the homeland of 82 GCs and 18 TCs, that area should not be administered by GCs, it should not be administered by all people together in a democratic way one person one vote, but it should be administered by the TCs alone. And he is asking us why we would not accept that

As I told you before, in the villages and areas that TCs are legally the majority I wouldn't have a problem if the local administrators are TCs. But you have absolutely no right to demand that you should administer areas that have a GC majority.

Why do you have problems sharing? I am not saying GCs cannot travel freely and settle in the North state, they can but the real question is why do you want to force us to live in a GC state run by GCs but would never accept the reverse, so why are you trying to force your will on us?

Do you really believe that GCs would be a majority in the North state I would be suprised if more than 20% of refugees woudl return.

[Pyrpolizer]

Although GCs want us to accept minority rights in a GC state they are reluctant to reverse the table an become a minority in a TC state, why is that??

First of all, as Kifeas said, there is no "GC state" but a Cypriot state where GCs happen to be the majority and TCs the minority.

We didn't ask you to become a minority in Cyprus. You are the ones who choose to invade us and come here, remember? So if you don't like the fact that you are a minority in Cyprus then go back from where you came from.

Based on what you are asking the GCs who outnumber the TCs 1 to 5 in every part of Cyprus, to become a minority? Do you think we are still living under the Ottoman rule?

There is a total GC state called "RoC" who runs it? who elects your representatives? who represents you abroad? who runs your country? obviously GCs....if you are blind to this fact then that's your problem not mine.

I come from the island of Cyprus and I belong here so I and other TCs will not be going anywhere.

What we are asking for is our share if this is 18% you know I am even willing to reduce to this size but only certain land disputes issues have been settled by independent international experts, the finding fo which we will all agree to without any objections.

What YOU and what those who administer or control you are willing to do is not the same. If it were like you said they would have already done it.
Don't count on the support of the GCs for that. The GCs are not stupid to ask for partition. If you want partition on an 18% basis, YOU have to do it and us to decide if we accept or not.

[Kifeas]

VP, my address is Alexander Street Number 8, Famagusta, across the street from the Labor Unions new building. Ready to return anytime. Care to make the arrangements?

As I said I personally cant give back property you would have to apply to the property commission for that but I can arrange for them to rent an office and operate from there if they wish, let me know.

Yes VP, as soon as the ECHR will tell us to apply to Turkey's "property commission" in the north, rest sure that you will be flooded with applications from most of the 200,000 GCs refugees! And then you will become the laughing stock of the whole of Europe and the court itself, for there is no way you will be able to find the more than 25 billions of Euros that you will need in order to compensate all of us for mere loss of use and access, based on the guidelines of the court in Loizidou and Aresti cases! Furthermore, I want to see how you will be able to make the matching of the land value gap; unless of course if you believe that the mere 0.41 millions of donums of TC land in the south, all of which worth only about 17 billions of Euros (and from this you will have to subtract some 30% belonging to TCs that did not "exchange" their tittles with the Denktash regime,) will be enough to match the 1.45 millions of donums of GC property in the north that its value is estimated around 85 billion Euros!

And do not expect us to wait for more than a year after we apply to Turkey's property commission, before running back to the ECHR, in case you delay to examine our applications!

Poor you! You think you have just invented the wheel, with your “property commission,” but soon you will discover that there is no way you can escape from the consequences of your attempted theft!

[Viewpoint]

raiseurfist

This post is plain stupid

dito

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And your answers are????

[Pyrpolizer]

So according to VP, when an area is the homeland of 82 GCs and 18 TCs, that area should not be administered by GCs, it should not be administered by all people together in a democratic way one person one vote, but it should be administered by the TCs alone. And he is asking us why we would not accept that

As I told you before, in the villages and areas that TCs are legally the majority I wouldn't have a problem if the local administrators are TCs. But you have absolutely no right to demand that you should administer areas that have a GC majority.

Why do you have problems sharing? I am not saying GCs cannot travel freely and settle in the North state, they can but the real question is why do you want to force us to live in a GC state run by GCs but would never accept the reverse, so why are you trying to force your will on us?

Do you really believe that GCs would be a majority in the North state I would be suprised if more than 20% of refugees woudl return.

Don't be stupid, even for those 20% to return they must be absolutely sure and guaranteed to have full rights and full EU liberties. Under current circumstances you know damn well your regime will not allow more that perhaps 2-3 people to return under very strict and humiliating terms/conditions. If say we have about 5% GCs returning is a village start running bussiness, schools, and churches etc I would predict daily burning down of all their bussiness premises, shops,schools etc until they are forced to leave. EACH AND EVERYONE OF THEM.
Damn, look at what you 've done to our 20,000 who got enclaved in Karpaz. Bar 250 persons you eradicated all of them.

[cypezokyli]

Although GCs want us to accept minority rights in a GC state they are reluctant to reverse the table an become a minority in a TC state, why is that??

some do.
and you know it.

its those GCs that did not leave.

let us not talk about how they were treated ....
we had a topic once about it....