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[DT.]

I'm sorry but i'm a little confused.

I go for grocery shopping in Alpha Mega and the parking lot has a majority of TC number plates.
I go for a passport for my kid and theres twice as many TC's in there.
I went for a family afternoon out to the newly opened Mall of Cyprus and every second person i hear is speaking Turkish.

My sons kindergarden class has 3 kids out of 12 that are TC
I'm in traffic to get into Larnaca airport and the car that's in front is a TC cab driver (blocked out T on his number plate as standard)
The Starbucks near Gavrielides Traffic Lights is filled with TC's all day

Are these the people that VP tells me are scared of living with us?
Are these the people the Eric CArtman Dayi says may work in the south but spend their wages in the north?
Am i to believe that just because they go to sleep in the north, the fact that they're mingling with us all day isn't as close to every day life as it gets? I mean how many GC's do you meet up with at home? Its at the supermarkets, hospitals, govt buildings, cinemas and restaurants that people actually experience each other in a community.

[Kikapu]

As Nikitas said, that the TC's want to be the "Masters of the North and Partners in the South".

[Viewpoint]

I'm sorry but i'm a little confused.

I go for grocery shopping in Alpha Mega and the parking lot has a majority of TC number plates.
I go for a passport for my kid and theres twice as many TC's in there.
I went for a family afternoon out to the newly opened Mall of Cyprus and every second person i hear is speaking Turkish.

My sons kindergarden class has 3 kids out of 12 that are TC
I'm in traffic to get into Larnaca airport and the car that's in front is a TC cab driver (blocked out T on his number plate as standard)
The Starbucks near Gavrielides Traffic Lights is filled with TC's all day

Are these the people that VP tells me are scared of living with us?
Are these the people the Eric CArtman Dayi says may work in the south but spend their wages in the north?
Am i to believe that just because they go to sleep in the north, the fact that they're mingling with us all day isn't as close to every day life as it gets? I mean how many GC's do you meet up with at home? Its at the supermarkets, hospitals, govt buildings, cinemas and restaurants that people actually experience each other in a community.

DT there are no problems with the people on a one to one basis, TCs are like foreigners when they visit the south, for al lthey care it could be France Italy or Spain they visit and abide by the laws of that country full stop and I hope they behave themselves. The same with the TCs who live in the Uk they choose to go and live by the rıles of that country, w are not visitors we are locals and want to rule ourselves we do not want to be ruled by GCs in a GC state run by GCs where we feel like we are visiting a foreign country as a foreigner.

[Kikapu]

I'm sorry but i'm a little confused.

I go for grocery shopping in Alpha Mega and the parking lot has a majority of TC number plates.
I go for a passport for my kid and theres twice as many TC's in there.
I went for a family afternoon out to the newly opened Mall of Cyprus and every second person i hear is speaking Turkish.

My sons kindergarden class has 3 kids out of 12 that are TC
I'm in traffic to get into Larnaca airport and the car that's in front is a TC cab driver (blocked out T on his number plate as standard)
The Starbucks near Gavrielides Traffic Lights is filled with TC's all day

Are these the people that VP tells me are scared of living with us?
Are these the people the Eric CArtman Dayi says may work in the south but spend their wages in the north?
Am i to believe that just because they go to sleep in the north, the fact that they're mingling with us all day isn't as close to every day life as it gets? I mean how many GC's do you meet up with at home? Its at the supermarkets, hospitals, govt buildings, cinemas and restaurants that people actually experience each other in a community.

DT there are no problems with the people on a one to one basis, TCs are like foreigners when they visit the south, for al lthey care it could be France Italy or Spain they visit and abide by the laws of that country full stop and I hope they behave themselves. The same with the TCs who live in the Uk they choose to go and live by the rıles of that country, w are not visitors we are locals and want to rule ourselves we do not want to be ruled by GCs in a GC state run by GCs where we feel like we are visiting a foreign country as a foreigner.

Actually, they are visiting their Country of Cyprus. They do have the RoC passports, don't they, therefore they are not foreigners, they are citizens of the RoC. You can deny this all you want, but the truth is, the only foreigners in Cyprus are those who do not hold a EU passports.

[iceman]

DT
I'll try to explain you the situation with an example
Think of the TC's as a child who had bad experience in the past trying to learn swimming..(nearly drowned) He is recently overcoming his fear of water and started swimming again...Although he can swim well,he still doesn't have the courage of venturing in deep sea and prefers to go for short swimming sessions near the shore..

Daily trips do not mean anything as far as trust goes.As in your examples they are no more than good paying customers and they get treated as good paying customers should be...Do these people trust ROC administration (not GC people in general) enough to actually live in as you call "free areas"? I dont think so..

[Kifeas]

Iceman, please try to give an honest reply! To what extent do you believe these TC fears and insecurities are due to objective reasons, to what extent they are due to subjective ones; and to what extent they are the product of the years long, constant and relentless anti-GC brainwashing by Denktash and his cronies, a good sample of which we in fact experience in this forum from people like Dayi, Murataga and VP?

[Kikapu]

Iceman, please try to give an honest reply! To what extent do you believe these TC fears and insecurities are due to objective reasons, to what extent they are due to subjective ones; and to what extent they are the product of the years long, constant and relentless anti-GC brainwashing by Denktash and his cronies, a good sample of which we in fact experience in this forum from people like Dayi, Murataga and VP?

Kifeas,

What makes you think that Eric Dayi, VP, Murataga or any other Partitionist are in fact scared of anyone and that their fears are not "play acting" to try and get a Partition, so that they can profit financially. As I have been saying ,
"Follow the money trail, and you will have the Truth behind peoples motives". Call me cynical if you want, but some of these people have been caught lying on more than several occasions. In a court of law, you only get one chance to tell the truth. The moment you are caught lying, all your testimony will be thrown out, as unreliable and false.

[iceman]

Kifeas
I am always honest with my replies...I don't care what others think or say..I often speak to older generation TC's about the political situation and i still have yet to come across one who is willing to go back to living with GC's again...They have too many bad memories they just can't forget or forgive..
These people are NOT like what Kikapu describes as financially motivated..
I know too many people who left enough property to buy Kikapu with his seven generations (as we say in Turkish) over and over but they still don't want to go back to their property in the south...

[Gabira]

They only to go the south for the convenience & curiosity.

Going to the south for certain luxuries is one thing, but going to the south or "prostituting" the Greek Cypriot passport is another

The south can put out as many carrots as they like...Mmmm yum yum... TC's will eat them all

The Greek Cypriot strategy of rounding up the Turkish Cypriot sheep before branding them with red hot steel is marvellous and should be aknowledged. Bravo, the south has done it so well for so long now.

They feel safe to go to the south because at the end of the day, they know that they can go back to the north where they can sleep with both eyes closed without thinking about it

You should acknowledge the realities of the situation instead of using Turkish Cypriots shopping habits as a reflection of "genuine" coexistence. Genuine coexistence...don't think so. Sorry to break your love heart

[Murataga]

I'm sorry but i'm a little confused.

I go for grocery shopping in Alpha Mega and the parking lot has a majority of TC number plates.
I go for a passport for my kid and theres twice as many TC's in there.
I went for a family afternoon out to the newly opened Mall of Cyprus and every second person i hear is speaking Turkish.

My sons kindergarden class has 3 kids out of 12 that are TC
I'm in traffic to get into Larnaca airport and the car that's in front is a TC cab driver (blocked out T on his number plate as standard)
The Starbucks near Gavrielides Traffic Lights is filled with TC's all day

Are these the people that VP tells me are scared of living with us?
Are these the people the Eric CArtman Dayi says may work in the south but spend their wages in the north?
Am i to believe that just because they go to sleep in the north, the fact that they're mingling with us all day isn't as close to every day life as it gets? I mean how many GC's do you meet up with at home? Its at the supermarkets, hospitals, govt buildings, cinemas and restaurants that people actually experience each other in a community.

Firstly, of course we are not afraid to live with you - that is given the circumstances. A few decades ago TCs were target practice for Girvas` men and no GC would get imprisoned for harassing, hurting or killing a TC. Things have changed fortunately. Try even causing a nosebleed to a TC and see what happens now. Get the difference?

Secondly, many TCs, including myself, cross over for economic benefits which are being denied to us for demanding our rights in Cyprus as TCs. That does not mean that I endorse/accept the fact that you impose economic hardship to me using what you stole from me. For daily life pleasures and economic advantages I`ll try to reclaim whatever I can. And as I do I know and you know very well that you can not even think about doing what your fathers did to us only recently. So, don`t confuse the facade with the bottom line facts and actual motives.

Last but not least on "only few GCs visiting the North"... this is an absurd observation. The North is under an illegitimate ambargo. Lift the ambargo, play the game fair and than let`s do a head count on the GCs visiting the North.

So: have we solved the Cyprus Problem? No.

Are we, the TCs as victims, trying to make the best of what we can? Yes.