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[Kikapu]

Karma I agree with you. I would go further to say that the RoC needs to make policies and change laws so that racial violence carry a heavier penalty so that it can be a preventative measure.

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Humanist,

Now you are talking about special laws to protect the minorities with special protections. But VP does not want minority rights for the TC's or special laws to protect minorities, because he wants to be equal to the GC's, so therefore you cannot treat the TC's as minorities, which means no special laws needed, because VP would refuse them.

[karma]

Nobody made even a faint attempt to answer my question as to why the serious incidence was not reported. Not even by the "Politis" journalists, who were the first to learn about it.

Bananiot,

Please help me understand something on how the press works in the RoC. When similar incidents happen that involves only GC's on GC's , or GC's on the British, or GC's on Indians or any other Nationalities, do they get coverage in all the papers or any coverage at all, or is it your expectation that this incident should make front page, just because it was GC on a TC. In other words, if the GC on Indian incident does not get any coverage, why should a GC on TC. Somehow, this incident is no different than a bar fight, a husband beating his wife, or any other incident that does not require anyone being taken to the hospital, so the question is, do the examples I gave above get any coverage in the papers, in the RoC.

U r wrong, racist attacks shld get coverage again and again..so tht jerks shld come to know Cyprus is not El Paso.. and it shld get coverage 10 times more incase it is between TC and GC..thts the only way to fight them back..in both sides.

Karma,

I'm not saying it should not have gotten any coverage, the question was, does similar incidents get any coverage at all. Of course all racist acts should be reported, prosecuted and named and shamed. I'm just asking the question, whether such incidents involving other nationalities gets any coverage at all, and if not, why would our good friend Bananiot is surprised, if an incident involving a TC hasn't gotten any coverage either.

I don't know why if an Indian guy is beaten up should get 10 times less attention or coverage than if a TC is beaten up. Doesn't that lends itself to be called Racism and Prejudicism against all other nationals Karma. Are we not going to apply equal law to everyone in the RoC or is it some individuals lives are worth more than others.

yeap, right but it is like in the USA when any racist attack happens against afro-american citizen, it always gets more coverage , coz there is a reason, the history and the background...something similar here too..and it is normal.

[Viewpoint]

Nobody made even a faint attempt to answer my question as to why the serious incidence was not reported. Not even by the "Politis" journalists, who were the first to learn about it.

Bananiot,

Please help me understand something on how the press works in the RoC. When similar incidents happen that involves only GC's on GC's , or GC's on the British, or GC's on Indians or any other Nationalities, do they get coverage in all the papers or any coverage at all, or is it your expectation that this incident should make front page, just because it was GC on a TC. In other words, if the GC on Indian incident does not get any coverage, why should a GC on TC. Somehow, this incident is no different than a bar fight, a husband beating his wife, or any other incident that does not require anyone being taken to the hospital, so the question is, do the examples I gave above get any coverage in the papers, in the RoC.

U r wrong, racist attacks shld get coverage again and again..so tht jerks shld come to know Cyprus is not El Paso.. and it shld get coverage 10 times more incase it is between TC and GC..thts the only way to fight them back..in both sides.

Isn't that doubly-racist (if there is such a thing ) to say that there should be 10x more coverage for one group of people vs another?

And Karma, most places are not El Paso, racism is as ubiquitous as humans!

it is not about being less or more racists...India did not involve 74 war..and Cyprus problem is there not coz of Indians... it must be emphasized if the attacks are against GC or TC citizens..

Thank you karma at last someone with a valid arguement, its sickening how these people are making excuses for the act and giving this animal a pass, it happens all the time so whats to report lamest excuse ever. Let him beat the shit out of these TCs no big deal happens all the time On the other side of the coin some old fart picks flowers in the TRNC she gets arrested for trespassing therefore gets arrested and all hell breaks lose, look what those horrible TCs are doing, fucking double standards or what.

[iceman]

Karma I agree with you. I would go further to say that the RoC needs to make policies and change laws so that racial violence carry a heavier penalty so that it can be a preventative measure.

If the incident did occur then it should be reported. My opinion on this matter the arguments presented here are always one sided. Furthemore no TC ever condones any violence or abuse on property toward GC. That does not represent a fair debate, facts or views.

From your comment,i see you do not classify Kikapu or Birkibrisli as TC's...
Its just as well cos I have never heard either of them condoning violence or abuse against TC's..How fair is that?

[Kikapu]

Nobody made even a faint attempt to answer my question as to why the serious incidence was not reported. Not even by the "Politis" journalists, who were the first to learn about it.

Bananiot,

Please help me understand something on how the press works in the RoC. When similar incidents happen that involves only GC's on GC's , or GC's on the British, or GC's on Indians or any other Nationalities, do they get coverage in all the papers or any coverage at all, or is it your expectation that this incident should make front page, just because it was GC on a TC. In other words, if the GC on Indian incident does not get any coverage, why should a GC on TC. Somehow, this incident is no different than a bar fight, a husband beating his wife, or any other incident that does not require anyone being taken to the hospital, so the question is, do the examples I gave above get any coverage in the papers, in the RoC.

U r wrong, racist attacks shld get coverage again and again..so tht jerks shld come to know Cyprus is not El Paso.. and it shld get coverage 10 times more incase it is between TC and GC..thts the only way to fight them back..in both sides.

Karma,

I'm not saying it should not have gotten any coverage, the question was, does similar incidents get any coverage at all. Of course all racist acts should be reported, prosecuted and named and shamed. I'm just asking the question, whether such incidents involving other nationalities gets any coverage at all, and if not, why would our good friend Bananiot is surprised, if an incident involving a TC hasn't gotten any coverage either.

I don't know why if an Indian guy is beaten up should get 10 times less attention or coverage than if a TC is beaten up. Doesn't that lends itself to be called Racism and Prejudicism against all other nationals Karma. Are we not going to apply equal law to everyone in the RoC or is it some individuals lives are worth more than others.

yeap, right but it is like in the USA when any racist attack happens against afro-american citizen, it always gets more coverage , coz there is a reason, the history and the background...something similar here too..and it is normal.

Karma,

In the USA we have many laws to protect the minorities, the Gays, Religion, language, right to work, age and sex discrimination, and on and on and on and in my view, they are all good laws and the Blacks and the Hispanics accept themselves as being a Minority, therefore they get just a little bit more protection towards Racial discrimination and attacks. TC's do not accept to be a minority, but equal with the GC's, therefore they should both get treated the same, and not any differently, wouldn't you say.??

[karma]

Dear Kikapu,


the racists and provocateurs shld surely be treated the same in both sides , justice for them please Im not talking about minority-majority case..

[humanist]

Kikapu

Humanist,

Now you are talking about special laws to protect the minorities with special protections. But VP does not want minority rights for the TC's or special laws to protect minorities, because he wants to be equal to the GC's, so therefore you cannot treat the TC's as minorities, which means no special laws needed, because VP would refuse them.

Kikapu, to be honest I don't think VP knows what he is arguing for. He hardly ever presents examples of the equality he wants, he hardly ever criticises the Talat administration, he a strong supporter of Turkey, sometimes he makes reference to a BBF solution most of the time he argues for partition. He is fears are existential and by his own admission on one to one level there is no issues between Cypriots. I fail to see then what the issues he presents are based on. One of the fairest political power sharing options exists already 1960's constitution. At the same time the RoC has been negligent in its assistance to the implementation of this otption. Having said that I can see why. because you will have trnc state in the north under current status quo and perhaps the same shit occuring again by those TC's who choose to cross the divide and live in the RoC under the 1960's constitution.

Perhaps the RoC needs to rewrite the 1960's consitution if it can to make it a trully democratic where one person = one vote, maintain the status quo and provide financial support to all refugees in rebuilding their lives and that means refugees of Limassol and Paphos and Larnaca and surounding villages. As well as special supports for those Cypriots of turkish speaking background who are not refugees as they owned property in the north prior to 1974.

Further to that and a topic that is very sensitive, important and crucial in the whole process, the RoC needs to take responsibility for the people of Tochni and needs to provide property for them in the North using Churh or state land. The emotional and physical scars of that attrocity cannot be pushed under the carpet and those people need to be accommodated in a safe envirnmoemmnt and that place is nowhere in the free areas of Cyprus. This initiative needs to begin now, because whetehr we kike it involved there is going to be a unification of some sort in the next ten years because it is now out of the hands of the Cypriot people and good will gestures need to begin now. It will not break the RoC budget to re-accommodate a couple of hundret people. It is the only case that I support land exchange.

[Kikapu]

Karma I agree with you. I would go further to say that the RoC needs to make policies and change laws so that racial violence carry a heavier penalty so that it can be a preventative measure.

If the incident did occur then it should be reported. My opinion on this matter the arguments presented here are always one sided. Furthemore no TC ever condones any violence or abuse on property toward GC. That does not represent a fair debate, facts or views.

From your comment,i see you do not classify Kikapu or Birkibrisli as TC's...
Its just as well cos I have never heard either of them condoning violence or abuse against TC's..How fair is that?

Iceman, we are not talking about condoning or condemning violence against the TC's or the GC's or anyone else for that matter. We are talking about whether or not the incident Bananiot raised should have gotten any press coverage or not, and if not, why not, so stop trying to mix the two, because what you talking about is a whole other topic all together, but just for your information, I'm against all wrong doings towards the TC's and the GC's and I hope you feel the same way.

[humanist]

karma

eap, right but it is like in the USA when any racist attack happens against afro-american citizen, it always gets more coverage , coz there is a reason, the history and the background...something similar here too..and it is normal.

Karma,

In the USA we have many laws to protect the minorities, the Gays, Religion, language, right to work, age and sex discrimination, and on and on and on and in my view, they are all good laws and the Blacks and the Hispanics accept themselves as being a Minority, therefore they get just a little bit more protection towards Racial discrimination and attacks. TC's do not accept to be a minority, but equal with the GC's, therefore they should both get treated the same, and not any differently, wouldn't you say.??[/quote]

the racists and provocateurs shld surely be treated the same in both sides , justice for them please Im not talking about minority-majority case..[/quote]


Karma yet another great post.

[Kikapu]

Dear Kikapu,


the racists and provocateurs shld surely be treated the same in both sides , justice for them please Im not talking about minority-majority case..

Agreed Karma, equal justice and punishment to all Racist and Provocateurs.

I can name few members that fit that description from this Forum as matter of fact.