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[Piratis]

Of course there is always the unsighted part which people never get to learn about. For example, last Friday, at the round about at the entrance to Nicosia, a Turkish Cypriot family in a Mercedes car were waiting in a slow moving traffic jam to clear the now notorious round about. Suddenly, a young Greek Cypriot, the driver of the car in front of the Mercedes, realises that Turkish Cypriots are behind him. He grabs an iron bar from his car and mercilessly attacks the Mercedes amidst shouting and swearing. The Turkish Cypriot driver of the Mercedes, frightened and really concerned for the safety of his family, hurries to reverse, in an effort to get away and hits the car behind him. The Greek Cypriot makes a mess of the Mercedes and by that time someone spots a police car which is summoned to the scene. The policemen track down the father of the young Cypriot (bastard) who readily explains that his son is just a kid who did not know what he is doing.

Onlookers quickly spread the news to the Greek Cypriot press. None of them carries the story next day.

Would anyone care to speculate as to why?

Bananiot,

Don't you think the present situation because of the divide is the main problem for someone to act the way as you described. If some TC's are occupying the property of the GC's, don't you think there is going to be animosity towards the TC community as there is animosity by the Partitionist towards the GC's, because they are denied political Power. It does not mean that, even in a united Cyprus, we are not going to have incidences of aggression and petty crimes within the Cypriot society. New York has already 400 murders for the year, but the good news is, it is down from the highs from few years ago, which was 900 murders. I think we will make improvements also, when everyone feels that they are not denied their rights.

When the human rights of people are violated and nobody can serve justice and help them then inevitably they try to take the law in their hands and serve, what they believe, is some justice.

There is only one solution: The one that will bring justice, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots without racist discriminations. If this does not happen, either because of the illegal occupation, or by legalizing crimes against people (e.g. Annan plan) then such events are expected.

[DT.]

I'm sorry but i'm a little confused.

I go for grocery shopping in Alpha Mega and the parking lot has a majority of TC number plates.
I go for a passport for my kid and theres twice as many TC's in there.
I went for a family afternoon out to the newly opened Mall of Cyprus and every second person i hear is speaking Turkish.

My sons kindergarden class has 3 kids out of 12 that are TC
I'm in traffic to get into Larnaca airport and the car that's in front is a TC cab driver (blocked out T on his number plate as standard)
The Starbucks near Gavrielides Traffic Lights is filled with TC's all day

Are these the people that VP tells me are scared of living with us?
Are these the people the Eric CArtman Dayi says may work in the south but spend their wages in the north?
Am i to believe that just because they go to sleep in the north, the fact that they're mingling with us all day isn't as close to every day life as it gets? I mean how many GC's do you meet up with at home? Its at the supermarkets, hospitals, govt buildings, cinemas and restaurants that people actually experience each other in a community.

Sorry DT, but I don't understand how the above are related to the title of this thread.

The Cyprus problem will be solved where:
1) The Turkish troops withdraw from Cyprus and the sovereignty of our country is respected.
2) The human and democratic rights of all Cypriots are restored.

I was reffering to the fa t that we are now living our daily lives in such proximity to each other that if one sees the interaction in a supermarket or a school would not know that there is an armed cease fire line between these 2 communities.

[MR-from-NG]

Of course there is always the unsighted part which people never get to learn about. For example, last Friday, at the round about at the entrance to Nicosia, a Turkish Cypriot family in a Mercedes car were waiting in a slow moving traffic jam to clear the now notorious round about. Suddenly, a young Greek Cypriot, the driver of the car in front of the Mercedes, realises that Turkish Cypriots are behind him. He grabs an iron bar from his car and mercilessly attacks the Mercedes amidst shouting and swearing. The Turkish Cypriot driver of the Mercedes, frightened and really concerned for the safety of his family, hurries to reverse, in an effort to get away and hits the car behind him. The Greek Cypriot makes a mess of the Mercedes and by that time someone spots a police car which is summoned to the scene. The policemen track down the father of the young Cypriot (bastard) who readily explains that his son is just a kid who did not know what he is doing.

Onlookers quickly spread the news to the Greek Cypriot press. None of them carries the story next day.

Would anyone care to speculate as to why?

Bananiot,

Don't you think the present situation because of the divide is the main problem for someone to act the way as you described. If some TC's are occupying the property of the GC's, don't you think there is going to be animosity towards the TC community as there is animosity by the Partitionist towards the GC's, because they are denied political Power. It does not mean that, even in a united Cyprus, we are not going to have incidences of aggression and petty crimes within the Cypriot society. New York has already 400 murders for the year, but the good news is, it is down from the highs from few years ago, which was 900 murders. I think we will make improvements also, when everyone feels that they are not denied their rights.

When the human rights of people are violated and nobody can serve justice and help them then inevitably they try to take the law in their hands and serve, what they believe, is some justice.

There is only one solution: The one that will bring justice, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots without racist discriminations. If this does not happen, either because of the illegal occupation, or by legalizing crimes against people (e.g. Annan plan) then such events are expected.

Nothing happened in the last 30 years and nothing will happen in the next, and the one after that and the one after. Piratis will have to wait a few more millenniums for the "change of power".

[T_C]

People are living in a dream world if they think that once Turkey leaves the GCs like those Bananiot mentioned are going to suddenly "love" us. I mean how naive can people really get?

We know about nationalists and how they work! Who are you trying to kid?

And Kikapu (as usual) jumps straight in to defend his bum chums.

It's at times like this that Kikapu should just shut up and listen instead of making excuses for GCs. Making excuses for what Bananiot mentioned is just pathetic and shows Kikapu for what he is. If it were something effecting the GCs, Kikapu would of crucified the TCs and we wouldn't of heard the last of it...oh fuck it I'm tired of repeating myself

[Pyrpolizer]

You are right T_C the GCs who hate you just because you are TCs will continue to hate you, the same way the TC people who hate the GCs will continue to hate us, no matter what-solution or no solution.

This is exactly what Kikapu has said. Now would you care explain us how Kikapu crucified the TCs by repeating your own words?

NB. Oh, yes Kikapu also said that with current situation some GCs and some TCs have additional reasons to hate each other. Is this his "sin" T_C?

[T_C]

What Kikapu did was to try to justify it Pyro! "New York had 400 murders BUT HEY it's down from last year!"

Sorry but this is unacceptable! We don't want to have these problems while living in our country...

[Kikapu]

People are living in a dream world if they think that once Turkey leaves the GCs like those Bananiot mentioned are going to suddenly "love" us. I mean how naive can people really get?

We know about nationalists and how they work! Who are you trying to kid?

And Kikapu (as usual) jumps straight in to defend his bum chums.

It's at times like this that Kikapu should just shut up and listen instead of making excuses for GCs. Making excuses for what Bananiot mentioned is just pathetic and shows Kikapu for what he is. If it were something effecting the GCs, Kikapu would of crucified the TCs and we wouldn't of heard the last of it...oh fuck it I'm tired of repeating myself

T_C,

Do you think crimes only happen between the TC's and GC's.??

It happens in every society, whether it is mixed or just pure.

Do you not find any crimes TC's committing on TC's in the North or in Turkey.??

Did I contradict Bananiot in what he said did not happen ?...NO.

Just what excuse am I making T_C. In all honesty, I'm surprised there are not more incidents as Bananiot described on daily basis. So lets give some credit to the GC's where credit is deserved, that more "revenge" actions are not taking place. I don't know how you can think, that some people who have everything they owned that is in the North, are now in the hands of the TC's, or worse in the hands of the Invading force's citizens. One can not be human and not feel angry towards those living in their property. I'm just telling you the human reactions, but you want to turn it into something else by making accusations and name callings. Why don't you give me your address in the UK, and I come and kick you and your mother out on to the streets and I move into your house, and when ever we meet on the street, I would expect you to treat me as friendly as possible. Does that fit into your Human understanding of what I have done to you and your mother, or do you want to kill me instead. So T_C, lets here your most compassionate human feelings towards someone who has made you homeless.

If you listen to what I said, there's never a guarantee that there ever never going to be some friction between the TC's and the GC's if unification occurs, but over time, wounds will heal, when all the people feel like they have gotten their Rights and Property back as well as the freedom to move and live where ever they want to in their own country. It is the denial of all these Rights, that people will never forgive and will always harbour ill feelings towards the other, hence the fact, the "war" will never be over. Now, if you cannot see that as being rational and instead choose the easy exit and accuse me of being biased, then you just want shut your eyes to the truth and hope that it will go away one day. I only speak from what is right and what is wrong point of view and human nature as being a territorial creature.

[Pyrpolizer]

People are living in a dream world if they think that once Turkey leaves the GCs like those Bananiot mentioned are going to suddenly "love" us. I mean how naive can people really get?

We know about nationalists and how they work! Who are you trying to kid?

And Kikapu (as usual) jumps straight in to defend his bum chums.

It's at times like this that Kikapu should just shut up and listen instead of making excuses for GCs. Making excuses for what Bananiot mentioned is just pathetic and shows Kikapu for what he is. If it were something effecting the GCs, Kikapu would of crucified the TCs and we wouldn't of heard the last of it...oh fuck it I'm tired of repeating myself

T_C,

Do you think crimes only happen between the TC's and GC's.??

It happens in every society, whether it is mixed or just pure.

Do you not find any crimes TC's committing on TC's in the North or in Turkey.??

Did I contradict Bananiot in what he said did not happen ?...NO.

Just what excuse am I making T_C. In all honesty, I'm surprised there are not more incidents as Bananiot described on daily basis. So lets give some credit to the GC's where credit is deserved, that more "revenge" actions are not taking place. I don't know how you can think, that some people who have everything they owned that is in the North, are now in the hands of the TC's, or worse in the hands of the Invading force's citizens. One can not be human and not feel angry towards those living in their property. I'm just telling you the human reactions, but you want to turn it into something else by making accusations and name callings. Why don't you give me your address in the UK, and I come and kick you and your mother out on to the streets and I move into your house, and when ever we meet on the street, I would expect you to treat me as friendly as possible. Does that fit into your Human understanding of what I have done to you and your mother, or do you want to kill me instead. So T_C, lets here your most compassionate human feelings towards someone who has made you homeless.

If you listen to what I said, there's never a guarantee that there ever never going to be some friction between the TC's and the GC's if unification occurs, but over time, wounds will heal, when all the people feel like they have gotten their Rights and Property back as well as the freedom to move and live where ever they want to in their own country. It is the denial of all these Rights, that people will never forgive and will always harbour ill feelings towards the other, hence the fact, the "war" will never be over. Now, if you cannot see that as being rational and instead choose the easy exit and accuse me of being biased, then you just want shut your eyes to the truth and hope that it will go away one day. I only speak from what is right and what is wrong point of view and human nature as being a territorial creature.

The fact is even the most moderate Gc politicians said the most difficult days will be those after a solution. This means not only THERE WILL BE frictions, but we will be lucky if we don't have some murders too. Christofias said the job of Political parties and other organisations is to limit these to the least possible degree and slowly slowly bring them to an end.

I don't know if any TC politician ever spoke publicly about the day after unification. If yes then I would like to know what he said...

[Kikapu]

People are living in a dream world if they think that once Turkey leaves the GCs like those Bananiot mentioned are going to suddenly "love" us. I mean how naive can people really get?

We know about nationalists and how they work! Who are you trying to kid?

And Kikapu (as usual) jumps straight in to defend his bum chums.

It's at times like this that Kikapu should just shut up and listen instead of making excuses for GCs. Making excuses for what Bananiot mentioned is just pathetic and shows Kikapu for what he is. If it were something effecting the GCs, Kikapu would of crucified the TCs and we wouldn't of heard the last of it...oh fuck it I'm tired of repeating myself

T_C,

Do you think crimes only happen between the TC's and GC's.??

It happens in every society, whether it is mixed or just pure.

Do you not find any crimes TC's committing on TC's in the North or in Turkey.??

Did I contradict Bananiot in what he said did not happen ?...NO.

Just what excuse am I making T_C. In all honesty, I'm surprised there are not more incidents as Bananiot described on daily basis. So lets give some credit to the GC's where credit is deserved, that more "revenge" actions are not taking place. I don't know how you can think, that some people who have everything they owned that is in the North, are now in the hands of the TC's, or worse in the hands of the Invading force's citizens. One can not be human and not feel angry towards those living in their property. I'm just telling you the human reactions, but you want to turn it into something else by making accusations and name callings. Why don't you give me your address in the UK, and I come and kick you and your mother out on to the streets and I move into your house, and when ever we meet on the street, I would expect you to treat me as friendly as possible. Does that fit into your Human understanding of what I have done to you and your mother, or do you want to kill me instead. So T_C, lets here your most compassionate human feelings towards someone who has made you homeless.

If you listen to what I said, there's never a guarantee that there ever never going to be some friction between the TC's and the GC's if unification occurs, but over time, wounds will heal, when all the people feel like they have gotten their Rights and Property back as well as the freedom to move and live where ever they want to in their own country. It is the denial of all these Rights, that people will never forgive and will always harbour ill feelings towards the other, hence the fact, the "war" will never be over. Now, if you cannot see that as being rational and instead choose the easy exit and accuse me of being biased, then you just want shut your eyes to the truth and hope that it will go away one day. I only speak from what is right and what is wrong point of view and human nature as being a territorial creature.

The fact is even the most moderate Gc politicians said the most difficult days will be those after a solution. This means not only THERE WILL BE frictions, but we will be lucky if we don't have some murders too. Christofias said the job of Political parties and other organisations is to limit these to the least possible degree and slowly slowly bring them to an end.

I don't know if any TC politician ever spoke publicly about the day after unification. If yes then I would like to know what he said...

Pyro,

Unfortunately Democracy and Peace does not come cost free. But we will need to go through this transitional period if we are to have a long lasting peace. This is the reason why I wrote my peace plan to do it over 10 years, to give everyone the chance to see progress regarding their property, economic development, security and confidence building. If all efforts are made to accommodate most Cypriots with their concerns, then I do not see resentments becoming a problem, even if it means, that some Cypriots will not get what they want, but will settle for a compensation, because they will know that effort was made to make things right, but there will be some disappointments, but for the good of the country and it's citizens, they will accept their loss and move on with their lives in a Unified Cyprus. Then every Cypriot will be responsible to look out for each other, no matter what language one speaks. This is how modern and civilized people live. I'm so embarrassed sometimes, to admit that we still have problems in Cyprus, at this day and age. Can somebody please tell me what the fuck is the matter with us. Are we that incapable of solving problems, which is nothing more than a flea on a Elephants ass in comparison to all other major wars around the world in the past and present. I'm so fucking disgusted arguing with bunch of Pricks on this forum about their own wish list and not the wish list of the island of Cyprus. We are no more special then any other human beings, so lets stop all the God damn bullshit and power play, and get down to business.

[Viewpoint]

T_C can you see the pattern developing here Bananiot points out an unprovoked attack on innocent TC family and the GCs try to explain it away, yet if this occured in the north we would be cruxcified..normal people would have condemned this bastard as an animal and who should be locked up. Just like the thugs who attacked the TC school boy at the English school incident it is brushed under the carpet and unimportant and not a big issue when the victim is a TC. Thats how it would be in a united Cyprus we will be reduced to second class citizens in our own country.