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[Kifeas]

I'm sorry but i'm a little confused.

I go for grocery shopping in Alpha Mega and the parking lot has a majority of TC number plates.
I go for a passport for my kid and theres twice as many TC's in there.
I went for a family afternoon out to the newly opened Mall of Cyprus and every second person i hear is speaking Turkish.

My sons kindergarden class has 3 kids out of 12 that are TC
I'm in traffic to get into Larnaca airport and the car that's in front is a TC cab driver (blocked out T on his number plate as standard)
The Starbucks near Gavrielides Traffic Lights is filled with TC's all day

Are these the people that VP tells me are scared of living with us?
Are these the people the Eric CArtman Dayi says may work in the south but spend their wages in the north?
Am i to believe that just because they go to sleep in the north, the fact that they're mingling with us all day isn't as close to every day life as it gets? I mean how many GC's do you meet up with at home? Its at the supermarkets, hospitals, govt buildings, cinemas and restaurants that people actually experience each other in a community.

Firstly, of course we are not afraid to live with you - that is given the circumstances. A few decades ago TCs were target practice for Girvas` men and no GC would get imprisoned for harassing, hurting or killing a TC. Things have changed fortunately. Try even causing a nosebleed to a TC and see what happens now. Get the difference?

Secondly, many TCs, including myself, cross over for economic benefits which are being denied to us for demanding our rights in Cyprus as TCs. That does not mean that I endorse/accept the fact that you impose economic hardship to me using what you stole from me. For daily life pleasures and economic advantages I`ll try to reclaim whatever I can. And as I do I know and you know very well that you can not even think about doing what your fathers did to us only recently. So, don`t confuse the facade with the bottom line facts and actual motives.

Last but not least on "only few GCs visiting the North"... this is an absurd observation. The North is under an illegitimate ambargo. Lift the ambargo, play the game fair and than let`s do a head count on the GCs visiting the North.

So: have we solved the Cyprus Problem? No.

Are we, the TCs as victims, trying to make the best of what we can? Yes.

Murataga, I know you will again chicken away from giving a reply to my posts, but, "to play the game fair," as you have said, you have to first end the embargo on the properties and the revenues that are daily lost from them, of the 200,000 ethnically cleansed GCs from the occupied north! "To play the game fair," you have to first return all the excessive land that you currently occupy above your community's fair property ownership share! In case you forgot it, you -the 18% of Cypriots, currently illegitimately occupy the 50% of the potential real estate value of all the private properties in Cyprus! In case you forgot it, you, the 18% of Cypriots, currently occupy the areas which before 1974 were contributing the 70% of Cyprus' GDP! In case you forgot it, the members of your community that moved from south into the north in 1975, have left behind them only some 0.41 millions of donums of average land (that is, a mixture of seaside and mountainous -fertile and dry, land,) whereas the ethnically cleansed GCs have left behind them in the north some 1.45 millions of donums of prime land (that is, land seating along and around the 54% of Cyprus' entire coastline that you now illegally occupy!)

If you want to play the game fair, and if you do not want embargoes and isolations, first you have to end the same economic embargo and isolation that you impose on the properties of the 1/3 of the GC population that originates from the occupied north, and which in absolute numbers constitutes a larger proportion of the Cypriot population than the whole of your community put together! Not only you do not seem willing to do that, but you even hold an entire city that is of no economic or residential use to you, that is Varosha, as a hostage in order to blackmail the GC community into succumbing to your illegitimate political demands and aims! And then you have the audacity of 1 million monkeys together, to speak about embargoes and isolations against your community!

Lastly, the reason we are not causing nose bleeding against TCs, is not because we are afraid of your 40,000 “mehmetcik!” It is not in our character to cause nose bleedings to those different to us, in the same way that no nose bleeding occurs against the tens of thousands of Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Arabs, Filipinos and other eastern Europeans that have been living and working among and with us for many years now, and to the nearly 3 million tourists that visit our country every year!

Others are those causing nose bleedings against you, on a daily basis, and these are your "brothers" from Anatolia and the rest of Turkey; that is why the majority of you are fed up with them, and since 1974, nearly 30% of your community have emigrated abroad!

[Piratis]

I'm sorry but i'm a little confused.

I go for grocery shopping in Alpha Mega and the parking lot has a majority of TC number plates.
I go for a passport for my kid and theres twice as many TC's in there.
I went for a family afternoon out to the newly opened Mall of Cyprus and every second person i hear is speaking Turkish.

My sons kindergarden class has 3 kids out of 12 that are TC
I'm in traffic to get into Larnaca airport and the car that's in front is a TC cab driver (blocked out T on his number plate as standard)
The Starbucks near Gavrielides Traffic Lights is filled with TC's all day

Are these the people that VP tells me are scared of living with us?
Are these the people the Eric CArtman Dayi says may work in the south but spend their wages in the north?
Am i to believe that just because they go to sleep in the north, the fact that they're mingling with us all day isn't as close to every day life as it gets? I mean how many GC's do you meet up with at home? Its at the supermarkets, hospitals, govt buildings, cinemas and restaurants that people actually experience each other in a community.

Sorry DT, but I don't understand how the above are related to the title of this thread.

The Cyprus problem will be solved where:
1) The Turkish troops withdraw from Cyprus and the sovereignty of our country is respected.
2) The human and democratic rights of all Cypriots are restored.

[Nikitas]

This victim thing is wearing a little thin! Cut it out. As a Famagusta boy I am beginning to find it a little insulting too! So do us all a favor and grow up.

[Bananiot]

Of course there is always the unsighted part which people never get to learn about. For example, last Friday, at the round about at the entrance to Nicosia, a Turkish Cypriot family in a Mercedes car were waiting in a slow moving traffic jam to clear the now notorious round about. Suddenly, a young Greek Cypriot, the driver of the car in front of the Mercedes, realises that Turkish Cypriots are behind him. He grabs an iron bar from his car and mercilessly attacks the Mercedes amidst shouting and swearing. The Turkish Cypriot driver of the Mercedes, frightened and really concerned for the safety of his family, hurries to reverse, in an effort to get away and hits the car behind him. The Greek Cypriot makes a mess of the Mercedes and by that time someone spots a police car which is summoned to the scene. The policemen track down the father of the young Cypriot (bastard) who readily explains that his son is just a kid who did not know what he is doing.

Onlookers quickly spread the news to the Greek Cypriot press. None of them carries the story next day.

Would anyone care to speculate as to why?

[Kikapu]

Kifeas
I am always honest with my replies...I don't care what others think or say..I often speak to older generation TC's about the political situation and i still have yet to come across one who is willing to go back to living with GC's again...They have too many bad memories they just can't forget or forgive..
These people are NOT like what Kikapu describes as financially motivated..
I know too many people who left enough property to buy Kikapu with his seven generations (as we say in Turkish) over and over but they still don't want to go back to their property in the south...

Iceman,

Please lets not mix the ordinary TC's with the greed of the Partitionist...please.

If all the TC's who have left land behind in the South, that could buy my generation seven time over were not compensated with equal amount of GC land in the North, as well as opportunity to buy more GC land dirt cheap, even as early as few years ago, then these TC's that you are talking about may have a different attitude about their property in the South and also reconciliation. What incentives do they have now in wanting any reconciliation, when their lives are dictated by those who are in position of power which Partition is their goal, as well as them have been compensated by GC land, and their own land in the South is still in the original owners name. In other words Iceman, tell me where the average TC's are losing out when it comes to land. The power and politics is hardly the concern for most citizens from most countries. Average people just wants to get on with their lives and give the best to their children, which is often more than they had given to them from their own parents.

Why don't we take away all the free GC land that has been given to the TC's in the North, take back all the cheap GC land bought in the North, take back all the property given free to the settlers and lets see what the attitude of the average TC's is going to be, as far as their fears from the GC's as well as their property in the South. Aside from political disadvantage to the TC's in the North, what else is missing from their lives. Vp tells us the BMW'a are doing record sales, Flat screen TV are selling like hot cakes, there are no shortage of food (thank goodness), and anything can be gotten from Turkey by taking a short ferry ride, even if the TC's do not wish to go to the South to shop.

Sorry Iceman, but what VP and Eric Dayi and few others who always beat the "Fear Drums" are after their own financial gains or Political Power, and more often than not, BOTH.

[Kikapu]

Of course there is always the unsighted part which people never get to learn about. For example, last Friday, at the round about at the entrance to Nicosia, a Turkish Cypriot family in a Mercedes car were waiting in a slow moving traffic jam to clear the now notorious round about. Suddenly, a young Greek Cypriot, the driver of the car in front of the Mercedes, realises that Turkish Cypriots are behind him. He grabs an iron bar from his car and mercilessly attacks the Mercedes amidst shouting and swearing. The Turkish Cypriot driver of the Mercedes, frightened and really concerned for the safety of his family, hurries to reverse, in an effort to get away and hits the car behind him. The Greek Cypriot makes a mess of the Mercedes and by that time someone spots a police car which is summoned to the scene. The policemen track down the father of the young Cypriot (bastard) who readily explains that his son is just a kid who did not know what he is doing.

Onlookers quickly spread the news to the Greek Cypriot press. None of them carries the story next day.

Would anyone care to speculate as to why?

Bananiot,

Don't you think the present situation because of the divide is the main problem for someone to act the way as you described. If some TC's are occupying the property of the GC's, don't you think there is going to be animosity towards the TC community as there is animosity by the Partitionist towards the GC's, because they are denied political Power. It does not mean that, even in a united Cyprus, we are not going to have incidences of aggression and petty crimes within the Cypriot society. New York has already 400 murders for the year, but the good news is, it is down from the highs from few years ago, which was 900 murders. I think we will make improvements also, when everyone feels that they are not denied their rights.

[Kifeas]

Of course there is always the unsighted part which people never get to learn about. For example, last Friday, at the round about at the entrance to Nicosia, a Turkish Cypriot family in a Mercedes car were waiting in a slow moving traffic jam to clear the now notorious round about. Suddenly, a young Greek Cypriot, the driver of the car in front of the Mercedes, realises that Turkish Cypriots are behind him. He grabs an iron bar from his car and mercilessly attacks the Mercedes amidst shouting and swearing. The Turkish Cypriot driver of the Mercedes, frightened and really concerned for the safety of his family, hurries to reverse, in an effort to get away and hits the car behind him. The Greek Cypriot makes a mess of the Mercedes and by that time someone spots a police car which is summoned to the scene. The policemen track down the father of the young Cypriot (bastard) who readily explains that his son is just a kid who did not know what he is doing.

Onlookers quickly spread the news to the Greek Cypriot press. None of them carries the story next day.

Would anyone care to speculate as to why?

Since it is neither published in the Turkish "Cyprus Mail" that happens to be printed in the south, then the story is definatelly an invention of your imagination!

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

In ann age in which everyone has at least one mobile phone, often with video facility, did no one call the cops? Is the call recorded at the emergency response center? Did anyone take video? Story sounds more than a little fishy!

[humanist]

All I have to do is keep reminding myself that the handful of Cypriots on this forum for or against partition are a huge huge huge minorityof the Cypriot people and by noi means a representative of the majority. The majority of Cypriots want to find a solution and live peacefully and together. Confidence is building and those Cypriots who feel one with their country are making statements, they are moving and are living, working and setting up business where they are allowed to do so. Talat and his masters will have a hard time soon to explain how come a large portion of the population is owning business in the south and many more are working in the free areas. If they are smart enough they will begin the process they agreed upon this way everyone can become a winner.

[Viewpoint]

Bananiot,

In ann age in which everyone has at least one mobile phone, often with video facility, did no one call the cops? Is the call recorded at the emergency response center? Did anyone take video? Story sounds more than a little fishy!

The GC plice wer einvolved but did jack shit as normal, for gods sake it was only a TC family not very important, if the reverse had happened can you imagine the backlash form the GC media?? the world wide echoes this incident would cause.