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[Viewpoint]

Dont get me wrong TCs should not give up the desire to gain recognition thats why we have to keep putting our side of the story accross to the international community who have only been exposed to GCs and their version of events.

Its recognition I am question and GCs have been unable to tell why they are trying to use it as a carrot to entice TCs into a GC state run by GCs where they will be discriminated and persecuted and end in toe corridors of the ECHR to get the simpliest of our rights. TCs need to ask themselves whether they wish to put their future in the hands of GCs like those on this forum and hope for the best. We have to realize that recognition may bring more money but will it bring any more happiness than we have today where we have our own community around us and feel like you are home where you belong. So we dont have 3 cars or 3 holidays a year but the majority of TCs have a very good standard of living....2 is better than none at all and not bad at all....viva la TRNC.

[T_C]

I don't want recognition OR a unitary state.

Things would change FAST in both cases and not necessarily for the better IMHO. I fear that given the resources our government wouldn't hesistate to turn the north into another RoC . Our government has a habit of looking towards the south for "inspiration".

A unitary state is obviously suitable for GCs since they don't have to worry about ANYTHING once that deal is reached...it's the TCs who have to deal with any concequences that may arise...if anything should go wrong it's the TCs who'll feel it not the GCs (AT ALL!) we'll be left out in the cold and the GCs will turn their backs on us but not before telling us some bullshit about "democracy". They could even chose not to address our concerns AT ALL if they wanted to!

Either way the north should not be turned into a bloody holiday refuge.

[phoenix]

. . . today where we have our own community around us and feel like you are home where you belong. . .

Provincial racist!

[Kikapu]

Are the Gcs using recognition as a tool to make us accept their demands, what do TCs really lack that the GCs have, materially? Is the trade off between recognition and living in a GC state against what we have today and can make much better if stick together really worth it? We TCs can work hard at putting our viewpoint accross to the rest of the world which they will understand, as we do this they will take measures to relax the GC strangle hold called isolation.
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Now look who's being disingenuous. You have been crying about Recognition since 1983 and the only one you have gotten is from Turkey, which you hold onto very dearly. Now after knocking on every door to open recognition to you, which upon answering the door and they see who is standing in the door way, it is immediately shut on your face again. So I suppose reality must be setting in with you that Recognition is not coming your way, so why not accept it and say, "who the hell needs Recognition anyway".

I like the way you keep saying "you" and very glad that you don't use we because it's only your arse that been sold to the GCs.

It is just like an old man who can't get it up anymore so he says, "Who the hell needs sex anyway" and then goes on to say "sex is over rated if you ask me". Never mind he was chasing every skirt that was around when he was younger,

Like I said before, trust good old kikapu to talk about sex, brothels and prostitutes every chance he gets.

He sure knows how to sell his arse to the GCs.

much like you have been chasing every possible Recognition Door to be opened for you. Then again, keeping land that belongs to others is more important than living in a "Honest Society".

"Honest Society".... :lol

Oh boy! What can one say to that crap. :rol::rol::rol:

I love the way you put "Honest Society" in inverted comas though, well done.

You got your "Bounty" so the hell with the future generation of TC's who will be forced to live their lives just like "Oliver Twist" who will not have control of their own destiny in a True Democratic country but instead will be at the mercy of others to throw a bone at them when they ask "Can I have some more, please Sir".

You're loosing your touch using Oliver Twist kiks, he was returned back to his family ad lived very happily ever after.

Go on kiks, let's have it, we all know what crap you are going to come back with.

So Eric Dayi, you really had nothing to add to what VP said or my response to him, but the usual hollow gestures.

First of all, I was answering a direct post from VP, hence the fact I was saying "you", meaning VP.

Secondly, I was saying "you" to a Partitionist and since I'm not a Partitionist, why would I use the word "we". It is the Partitionist that are looking for recognition, therefore I do not use the word "we".

I only use the word "we", when I'm talking about TC's in general and not the Partitionist.

Now for "Oliver Twist". I was hoping I did not had to do this, but you are really forcing me. Why is it everybody else has gotten what I was talking about, but not you. Was it really that difficult for you to connect the dots. Then again, I really should stop asking rhetorical questions.

As for "Oliver Twist" story, it seems to me that you have either watched the last 5 minutes of the video or just read the last page only.

So yes, Oliver Twist does go home to his family, but not before he is in desperation and is being taken advantage of, as well as becoming reliant on others to feed him, and not enough I may add, and then is taught to commit illegal activities, like becoming a pick pocket and stealing other peoples properties. His moral values are corrupted so that his "master" can have a corrupt life.

Is any of this getting through to you yet.??

I'm afraid our "Oliver Twist" is long ways from going home to his family yet.!!!!

I hope you can now connect the dots as to what is going on and are able to draw some parallels..!!!!

[Viewpoint]

I don't want recognition OR a unitary state.

Things would change FAST in both cases and not necessarily for the better IMHO. I fear that given the resources our government wouldn't hesistate to turn the north into another RoC . Our government has a habit of looking towards the south for "inspiration".

A unitary state is obviously suitable for GCs since they don't have to worry about ANYTHING once that deal is reached...it's the TCs who have to deal with any concequences that may arise...if anything should go wrong it's the TCs who'll feel it not the GCs (AT ALL!) we'll be left out in the cold and the GCs will turn their backs on us but not before telling us some bullshit about "democracy". They could even chose not to address our concerns AT ALL if they wanted to!

Either way the north should not be turned into a bloody holiday refuge.

I agree TC maybe we should reduce our land to 29% as per the AP agreeing it with the UN and EU that this done for recognition and see what they have to say.

[T_C]

I would! I think majority of TCs would too....Even though we have SOOOOO much in common with GCs, when it comes to politics and the history of Cyprus, the differences between us are PARAMOUNT. It's not something we can just turn a blind eye to either. We definately need a period where there is peace and where we can live and let live....THEN we can talk about unifying.

[phoenix]

I don't want recognition OR a unitary state.

Things would change FAST in both cases and not necessarily for the better IMHO. I fear that given the resources our government wouldn't hesistate to turn the north into another RoC . Our government has a habit of looking towards the south for "inspiration".

A unitary state is obviously suitable for GCs since they don't have to worry about ANYTHING once that deal is reached...it's the TCs who have to deal with any concequences that may arise...if anything should go wrong it's the TCs who'll feel it not the GCs (AT ALL!) we'll be left out in the cold and the GCs will turn their backs on us but not before telling us some bullshit about "democracy". They could even chose not to address our concerns AT ALL if they wanted to!

Either way the north should not be turned into a bloody holiday refuge.

I agree TC maybe we should reduce our land to 29% as per the AP agreeing it with the UN and EU that this done for recognition and see what they have to say.

Even a reduction will not get you the Recognition you hanker after. You cannot expect a rosy future unless you completely rectify the problem of ethnic cleansing which you have induced.

[Kikapu]

I don't want recognition OR a unitary state.

Things would change FAST in both cases and not necessarily for the better IMHO. I fear that given the resources our government wouldn't hesistate to turn the north into another RoC . Our government has a habit of looking towards the south for "inspiration".

A unitary state is obviously suitable for GCs since they don't have to worry about ANYTHING once that deal is reached...it's the TCs who have to deal with any concequences that may arise...if anything should go wrong it's the TCs who'll feel it not the GCs (AT ALL!) we'll be left out in the cold and the GCs will turn their backs on us but not before telling us some bullshit about "democracy". They could even chose not to address our concerns AT ALL if they wanted to!

Either way the north should not be turned into a bloody holiday refuge.

I agree TC maybe we should reduce our land to 29% as per the AP agreeing it with the UN and EU that this done for recognition and see what they have to say.

Finders keepers, heh.!!!!!!!!

Haven't you heard yet VP, that the Annan Plan is DEAD and GONE.

Better start looking a better altervative, like a TRUE FEDERATION.

[Viewpoint]

I don't want recognition OR a unitary state.

Things would change FAST in both cases and not necessarily for the better IMHO. I fear that given the resources our government wouldn't hesistate to turn the north into another RoC . Our government has a habit of looking towards the south for "inspiration".

A unitary state is obviously suitable for GCs since they don't have to worry about ANYTHING once that deal is reached...it's the TCs who have to deal with any concequences that may arise...if anything should go wrong it's the TCs who'll feel it not the GCs (AT ALL!) we'll be left out in the cold and the GCs will turn their backs on us but not before telling us some bullshit about "democracy". They could even chose not to address our concerns AT ALL if they wanted to!

Either way the north should not be turned into a bloody holiday refuge.

I agree TC maybe we should reduce our land to 29% as per the AP agreeing it with the UN and EU that this done for recognition and see what they have to say.

Even a reduction will not get you the Recognition you hanker after. You cannot expect a rosy future unless you completely rectify the problem of ethnic cleansing which you have induced.

If recognition was on the tiles then those GCs who wanted to return to live in the TRNC could, considering the majority of GCs cannot stomache a TC state then this number imo would be very low, we could also place quotas just like Malta to ensure the TCs are always the majority, the other GC refugees should apply to the property commission for either return or compensation.

[Nikitas]

Malta can place quotas because it is an island and it has no border with anyone else. Welcome to the land of international frontiers! You have a lot to learn about living with close neighbors!

Quotas are a two way street. You use them then the other side will use them too no doubt. And then how do you deal with your "citiznes" who will lose their jobs in the south? Your assumption is that the desire to live and works "cross border" will be mostly on the part of the Greek Cypriot side. What if it is the other way round? COmes back to the old problem "now you got it what are you going to do with it?" that no one wants to discuss.

You are stuck in your fearful nightmare and do not think of the desires and wishes of people around you. You might end up with a state people do not want to live in and prefer to go south. That is the question some of us are asking because if that happens then we foresee a problem, namely you starting the old bullshit of a minority with special status in the south, it will be the same shitpile all over again.