zan wrote:phoenix wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Are the Gcs using recognition as a tool to make us accept their demands, what do TCs really lack that the GCs have, materially? Is the trade off between recognition and living in a GC state against what we have today and can make much better if stick together really worth it? We TCs can work hard at putting our viewpoint accross to the rest of the world which they will understand, as we do this they will take measures to relax the GC strangle hold called isolation.
TCs take note of whats being out before by Gcs on this forum can you imagine this mentality in a GC where you are a minority with GC taking decisions on your behalf and influencing your future, shudder at the the thought.
Viewpoint:
You have raised a VERY interesting point and I need you to clarify certain issues.
Clearly the isolation you feel is a symptom of the lack of Recognition.
I've asked you throughout this thread to tell me WHY you have been refused world-wide Recognition.
You are being flippant if you do not address this first. Because therein may lie your answer.
If you have good and valid, justifiable reasons for being denied Recognition . . ALL you TCs have to do is correct those deficiencies and PERHAPS then you may receive the Recognition that deep in your submerged soul you know you cannot survive long-term as a state, without.
And then that would be just great for you TCs!
Your consciences will be clear . . and you'll get recognition for your Presently-Pseudo TRNC. I would rejoice for you and move on.
But I have no fear that Recognition will EVER come to the pseudo-state of yours. Because I know those issues you are running away from are TOO great and numerous and they cannot be ignored.
I'll hazard a guess as to WHY you are REFUSED Recognition:
The policies pursued by Turkey in the occupied area since its invasion of Cyprus constitutes the FIRST case of ethnic cleansing in post-second World War Europe.
It is for this fundamental reason that you are refused any Recognition.
And OK maybe GCs did some bad things . . but they were in defence of their country, not an uncalled for MAJOR offensive.
Whats more, the GCs NEVER systematically raped your women and killed your children . . . this was the policy of the Turkish Army. They showed themselves to still uphold BARBARISM . . . even if some may some "All's fair in .... etc. But I agree these crimes cannot be sadly, undone!
HOWEVER the crime of ethnic cleansing can still be reversed.
Address the issue of ETHNIC cleansing by removing the Turks allowing the refugees back to their homes and then the TCs WILL have Recognition as part of a fine and respected country . . the RoC.
If you are blinkered and wish not to see the very many answers you have had to this question then you will have to wait for the next intelligent discussion to hear it again...There should be one coming your way soon......Did you read the Akritas Plan as I recommended by the way...Perhaps then you can join in at the level at which the subject is being discussed......Phobias can be overcome you know...Just takes a little bit of courage and a reality check....
I have had no intelligent responses to my probings from Viewpoint . . or indeed from yourself. You do not appear to be discussing the points raised to any significant level . . . and I feel much aggrieved and disappointed.
However regarding the Akritas plan as far as I'm concerned, the RoC had every right to move towards self-determination. In my opinion it made reference to the the fact that GC and TC could coexist and that the aim of the GCs was not to oppress the TCs. They took great steps to safeguard the reasonable rights of the minority.
The only thing that gets up your goat is that they had the foresight to predict the reaction of the TCs in staging incidents to prevent implementation of RoC self-determination.
