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[CopperLine]

Boomerang,

show me a country were 99.99% of the inhibitants have been removed by force so the it can be declared a state

But that is not what was said or asked ! The challenge you raised was "no country will ever recognize a state build on ETHINC CLEANSING" - your words. So I gave a very incomplete list of states that had been (a) built on ethnic cleansing and (b) had been recognised.

Now you try to move the goalposts. And you move the goalposts twice over : First to fix a totally arbitrary 99.99% figure - which in no way begins to describe the Cyprus situation which seemed to be the implication you were trying to make - and second by changing 'a state built ..' to 'can be declared a state.'

I'm sorry, I've lost the energy or inclination to carry on with this ...

[zan]

Viewpoint

I assume therefore that you accept you do not have recognition.

Can you give us your thoughts on why you have been denied recognition . .

It seems that now you are left whimsically wondering whether you need this otherwise most fundamental principle of existence.

How did the date go with Kifeas????


You have been given example after example of why we have not got recognition and the "RoC" has but it seems that you do not want to listen. Read the Akritas Plan and it will tell you why. You cannot question that because it was written by your president so it must be true....

Are you setting up a dating forum, Zan?
There was no date with Kifeas who has had the misfortune to be deprived of his home and has ended up near my village . . as beautiful as it may be . .

Anyway I was asking for VP's thoughts on the matter . . as you stated, we have heard your endless excuses . . . unless you've come up with any novel ones . . you are soooo good at fiction

If you want novel then read your own history...What I am after is accuracy and that history is the same what ever angle you look at it from...It is the likes of you that keeps wanting to change it to suit.

As for Kifeas missing his home......I did not even know where mine was for decades. Now I have a home in the TRNC/KKTC. I feel for his loss but he has no concept of mine.

Zan pain and loss are exclusive to Gcs didnt you know that? they have monopolized those as well or was it patented?

Greek Coffee, Greek yogurt, Greek delight, Greek feta, Greek Halumi and Greek pain. Look out Germany.......Greek saurcrout looks good to me....

[phoenix]

It seems that now you are left whimsically wondering whether you need this otherwise most fundamental principle of existence.

No, recognition is not a 'most fundamental principle of existence'. Just because you don't recognise someone passing by in the street doesn't meant that s/he doesn't exist. Similarly with legal recognition.

Diplomatic Recognition is the formal acknowledgement by a country that another country or state has the status of an independent nation. Without that recognition then you do not EXIST and are therefore moribund.

Cognitive recognition is just an appreciation.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint

I assume therefore that you accept you do not have recognition.

Can you give us your thoughts on why you have been denied recognition . .

It seems that now you are left whimsically wondering whether you need this otherwise most fundamental principle of existence.

What will it really change??

This is a cop out VP!

You ask if recognition is overrated as though you are pining for it. So to fix that and get your recognition you have to set things to rights.

Otherwise you have accepted that you are not recognized and all that comes with that will be denied you.

So what have you done wrong that the whole World refuses to recognize you?

Of course we are not recognized by any country but Turkey, we are not stupid, the question is not what have we done whats done is done, the real question is what will really change with recognition and is it a tool for GCs to exploit when like you are doing right now to try and get us to dissolve the TRNC and accept Gcs demands. As long as we believe and want the TRNC to exsist no one can take it away unless like Piratis always says the swing of power goes his way a risk I am prepared to take as recognition would probably arrive way before and swings or roundabouts for that matter

[zan]

It seems that now you are left whimsically wondering whether you need this otherwise most fundamental principle of existence.

No, recognition is not a 'most fundamental principle of existence'. Just because you don't recognise someone passing by in the street doesn't meant that s/he doesn't exist. Similarly with legal recognition.

Diplomatic Recognition is the formal acknowledgement by a country that another country or state has the status of an independent nation. Without that recognition then you do not EXIST and are therefore moribund.

Cognitive recognition is just an appreciation.

Therefore...Being recognised by Turkey should satisfy your criteria

[Viewpoint]

It seems that now you are left whimsically wondering whether you need this otherwise most fundamental principle of existence.

No, recognition is not a 'most fundamental principle of existence'. Just because you don't recognise someone passing by in the street doesn't meant that s/he doesn't exist. Similarly with legal recognition.

Diplomatic Recognition is the formal acknowledgement by a country that another country or state has the status of an independent nation. Without that recognition then you do not EXIST and are therefore moribund.

Cognitive recognition is just an appreciation.

Your not answering the question what does it really change? more trade more money more fresh air what??????

[Get Real!]

There’s obviously a surge in TC confidence lately because they are under the FALSE impression that a recognition mechanism is in motion…

As an avid media gorging maniac, of both CyProb and international affairs, I can assure you that the “TRNC” is this much… …closer to recognition than it was this time last year.

[zan]

There’s obviously a surge in TC confidence lately because they are under the FALSE impression that a recognition mechanism is in motion…

As an avid media gorging maniac, of both CyProb and international affairs, I can assure you that the “TRNC” is this much… …closer to recognition than it was this time last year.

Still the economy grows and all is welllllllllllllllllll. That is the point that VP is making...

[Viewpoint]

There’s obviously a surge in TC confidence lately because they are under the FALSE impression that a recognition mechanism is in motion…

As an avid media gorging maniac, of both CyProb and international affairs, I can assure you that the “TRNC” is this much… …closer to recognition than it was this time last year.

WHo said anything about demanding recognition quite the opposite what didference does it make and is a state of mind? The GCs appear to exploit this in the hope that they will lure TCs into accepting their demands of creating a GC state where TCs are just another minority.

[boomerang]

Boomerang,

show me a country were 99.99% of the inhibitants have been removed by force so the it can be declared a state

But that is not what was said or asked ! The challenge you raised was "no country will ever recognize a state build on ETHINC CLEANSING" - your words. So I gave a very incomplete list of states that had been (a) built on ethnic cleansing and (b) had been recognised.

Now you try to move the goalposts. And you move the goalposts twice over : First to fix a totally arbitrary 99.99% figure - which in no way begins to describe the Cyprus situation which seemed to be the implication you were trying to make - and second by changing 'a state built ..' to 'can be declared a state.'

I'm sorry, I've lost the energy or inclination to carry on with this ...

Copperline...I had you down for a smart cookie...
1...We are here on the CYPRUS forum...we define ETHNIC CLEANSING as per our circumstances...we are nor in a spanish, UK, Italy , Mongolia, Turkey, etc forum discussing their versions...Now you get the point?

2...No you are moving the goal posts to suit your twisted agenda to again justify the ridiculous...

I am really disappointed in you coz as of late we were trying to have somekind of an impartial conversation, but its starting to be a fruitless exercise with your continous spin on everything...

I would like you to be in tune as to what we are talking about avoiding posts of repetition to which I am sure you are more of capable of providing...as you clearly pointed out to other posters following your posts...