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Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:07 pm

Eric dayi wrote:
miltiades wrote:
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humanist wrote:The world may say Turkiey should begin withdrawl of troops, however, if the international community does nothing about it as it has not done for many years now, Turkey will not withdraw anything. If the international community and the US have integrity they will slap Turkey with a BIG FAT economic embargo.


If they have done this in 33 years aint gonna happen any day soon, Turkey USA relations are far more important than 800.000 arrogant GCs. You thought the EU would slove all your problems but what have they done jack shit, no one cares you have to solve it yourselves and stop blaming everyone else.

Pleased to see you DO LIKE the Cypriots !!!
Well I do not think that 200 thousand or so T/Cs are arrogant.I think they are a decent sort of people and share so much culture with their compatriots also believe that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs are nothing like you or your mate Eric !!


Well, I'm sure glad I am not a senile old fool like you and VP is also not a senile old fool like you.

AND it seems that the "overwhelming majority of T/Cs" do also not show any signs at all that they are senile old fools like you. If they were, they would have surrendered to you GCs by now. :wink:

Eric the Clown in action !!
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Postby dinos » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:13 pm

miltiades wrote:
Eric dayi wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:The world may say Turkiey should begin withdrawl of troops, however, if the international community does nothing about it as it has not done for many years now, Turkey will not withdraw anything. If the international community and the US have integrity they will slap Turkey with a BIG FAT economic embargo.


If they have done this in 33 years aint gonna happen any day soon, Turkey USA relations are far more important than 800.000 arrogant GCs. You thought the EU would slove all your problems but what have they done jack shit, no one cares you have to solve it yourselves and stop blaming everyone else.

Pleased to see you DO LIKE the Cypriots !!!
Well I do not think that 200 thousand or so T/Cs are arrogant.I think they are a decent sort of people and share so much culture with their compatriots also believe that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs are nothing like you or your mate Eric !!


Well, I'm sure glad I am not a senile old fool like you and VP is also not a senile old fool like you.

AND it seems that the "overwhelming majority of T/Cs" do also not show any signs at all that they are senile old fools like you. If they were, they would have surrendered to you GCs by now. :wink:

Eric the Clown in action !!


You'll notice that he pops in every once in a while, spouts some bullet points (enosis, marauding GC's, etc) and throws around a few insults. Then other people continue with a more intellectual tact. Thing is, engaging him just encourages him. Why not stop encouraging him?
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Postby paliometoxo » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:31 pm

turks still havent gived a valid reason why 35 thousand troops need to be in cy
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Postby boomerang » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:33 pm

CopperLine wrote:Boomerang,
Thanks for the speedy reply.

You wrote that the,
proposal is only equal to one side of the triangle, because it does not address a return to normality


I know, but the point is that in all the time that it will take to return to normality (if ever) the pernicious and threatening aspects of a military presence (of whatever kind, from wherever, whether 'legal' or 'illegal') could be dealt with.

I suppose that there are two broad schools of thought, each which has adherents from all sides of the debate. One school of thought holds that any settlement must be comprehensive thereby addressing all aspects of the division - human rights, land, property, compensation, right of return, foreign military presence, constitution and so on and so forth. Many people in this school want nothing short of a single, final and comprehensive settlement. Fair enough.
A second school of thought, again with adherents from all sides, maintains that not only can more progress be made through a piece by piece, maybe sector by sector, issue by issue approach, but that such an approach would also hasten and smooth the path for a comprehensive settlement.

In that light, my suggestion for demilitarisation is firmly from within the second school. It doesn't pretend to address, say, the question of right to return, or property compensation, nor does it seek to determine what is legal or illegal. What it seeks to do is ease the current sources of insecurity for all in just this one field, the military question.

removing the troops back to turkey alone does not mean turkey will not pull the strings...this is the problem..


I agree. My thinking behind the demilitarisation proposal is that - to put it crudely - one is caling Turkey's bluff. If Turkey's justification for troop presence is the perceived threat to TRNC and TCs from RoC and GCs - and this is what Turkey says itself, and that justification is what TCs many often invoke, and what many GCs are confronted with - then removal of the grounds for Turkey's justification then puts Turkey on the spot, including internationally. The obverse applies, albeit differently, to the RoC armed forces (no, I am not making T and RoC armned forces morally, legally or politically equivalent). A different argument applies for the British sovereign bases insofar as they have never (?) been justified in terms of threats from within Cyprus or even to Cyprus.

Turkey needs to let go off Cyprus...something she is unwilling to do, and continously shooting her self in the foot...


Again I agree. But restating the problem doesn't resolve it. Our problem is how we get from A to B. A we don't like but that's where we are; B we like but we're not there. Can we make some progress toward reaching B without a comprehensive settlement ? I supect that we can, here are some tentative and partial suggestions.


As far as I can see things, so long as the comprehensive settlement is the 'only game in town' we're not likely to get anywhere. Annan was as close to a comprehensive proposal as we're likely to get and it seems that it is dead in the water. The reality is that there is a de facto partition which seems - whether for good reason or bad, whether intentionally or unintentionally - likely to continue for the forseeable future. We can either say 'so be it' and resign ourselves to that, or we can try to thinks of ways to break the log-jam.


Man you are a spinner...come on.... :lol:

mate you wanna hasten the fucking thing give back Varosha for rebuilding...and ask your self with such a deed who gets benefited more...then we talk...This is the way forward...Freeze the damn exploitation of land...etc...this will be a better way of hasrening a solution...

the demilitarization is not the answer...again spinning the illegality with the abolition of the legality, is not the way forward...

I subscribe to any speedy, settlement...with a reason...so any school of thought is fine with me...

sorry for being so direct...i put it down, to my newly aquired taste of the sweetest nektar out of the RoC...zivania :lol:
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Postby GeorgeV97qaue » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:53 pm

The Turks will not remove the troops. They have their own agenda and are just using the TC's. The TC's are now a minority in their own illegal state. If things continue as they are their wont be any of you left. For god sake wake up the tuks have even made you change your names to be more Turkish.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:05 pm

GeorgeV97qaue wrote:The Turks will not remove the troops. They have their own agenda and are just using the TC's. The TC's are now a minority in their own illegal state. If things continue as they are their wont be any of you left. For god sake wake up the tuks have even made you change your names to be more Turkish.


Should you be concerned at all? whats it to you?
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Postby GeorgeV97qaue » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:32 pm

What is it to me. You Occupy my fu@king country. My family has lost land in Varosha and I have never seen where my roots are. How would you like it if the shoe was on the other foot.

You know what I hope you all rot in Hell because that's where you belong. If you think what you are doing is right then their is no hope of peace on our Island. We are in the year 2007 not the fu@king 1500's do you think that we are barbarians like the turks. If so why the hell are you TC's crossing the green line every day to work on our side. Why dont you just stay on your own side and live your life with your saviours the Turkish Troops.
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Postby boomerang » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:35 pm

another nice reaction to the vips...can't say I disagree with george though...she is a feisty little bitch...hahahahaha
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Postby paliometoxo » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:39 pm

well said GeorgeV97qaue i agree completely.. they need to come work in our side for the money get passports and our id cards... all they do is take and then want more and give nothing back.. burn in hell all turks yes where they belong
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Postby GeorgeV97qaue » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:49 pm

They think they have the upper hand. But the International community is now starting to wake up. Paps speech at the UN was quality. He is proving to be a good leader for our community and did the right thing with the Annan plan which was designed to keep the Turks happy. Not only making the occupation legal but for us to meet the costs for the conpensation. After the inital bollocks that was coming out of the EU that they would start helping the so called TRNC they have realised that they were wrong. Have the EU helped the theifs, no they havent. They know who is in the right now our leader has explained to them.

US want this sorted as they want our oil. So Turks & TC's beware you days are numbered. No one believes your bullshit any more. The international community knows you prats will not be harmed if we united. Your puppet of a leader is just trying to hang onto power for as long as possible. You will never be recognised by no one apart from Turkey. Who do you think you are Israel. Well your not they are educated people not peasants.
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