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Postby Nikitas » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:15 am

Utu,

Maybe the Turkish army is not there to deter the Greeks but to keep the Turks in line.

In a modern type of war the air force and the navy play the major role. A modern warship goes from Mersin to Cyprus in an 90 minutes. A plane in 2 minutes. But if you have a major civil disturbance on the ground you need the army right there and then.
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Postby zan » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:30 pm

Nikitas wrote:Utu,

Maybe the Turkish army is not there to deter the Greeks but to keep the Turks in line.

In a modern type of war the air force and the navy play the major role. A modern warship goes from Mersin to Cyprus in an 90 minutes. A plane in 2 minutes. But if you have a major civil disturbance on the ground you need the army right there and then.


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There is no point in denying that the role of the Turkish army was to do both.....The same way that the "RoC" had to control what went on in the South after such turmoil.

As for landing on an Island...It was almost impossible then and with modern weapons and the "RoC" getting its way internationally it really would be impossible to land a second time. Why the hell should we allow Turkey to leave until a solution is found. It just does not make sense from a TC point of view.
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Postby DT. » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:47 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
utu wrote:Personally, I do think that there is little need for 40,000 Turkish troops to be on Cyprus, if their function is as they state (defending the Turkish Cypriot people). They could easilly remove half that number and still maintain a deterrent from any attack.



What difference does it make if they are 100.000 or 10.000, they will all go once these stubborned headed Gcs decide they want to share as 2 equals rather than maintain the GC state they have today which do you think they will choose??


Wasn;t aware that the deal was "you give us 4 more votes per head than the GC's or the army stays"....
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Postby zan » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:51 pm

DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
utu wrote:Personally, I do think that there is little need for 40,000 Turkish troops to be on Cyprus, if their function is as they state (defending the Turkish Cypriot people). They could easilly remove half that number and still maintain a deterrent from any attack.



What difference does it make if they are 100.000 or 10.000, they will all go once these stubborned headed Gcs decide they want to share as 2 equals rather than maintain the GC state they have today which do you think they will choose??


Wasn;t aware that the deal was "you give us 4 more votes per head than the GC's or the army stays"....


How about 1 vote for the GCs and 1 for the TCs just like in the EU....Oh! And a veto????? It works for them....
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Postby DT. » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:53 pm

zan wrote:
DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
utu wrote:Personally, I do think that there is little need for 40,000 Turkish troops to be on Cyprus, if their function is as they state (defending the Turkish Cypriot people). They could easilly remove half that number and still maintain a deterrent from any attack.



What difference does it make if they are 100.000 or 10.000, they will all go once these stubborned headed Gcs decide they want to share as 2 equals rather than maintain the GC state they have today which do you think they will choose??


Wasn;t aware that the deal was "you give us 4 more votes per head than the GC's or the army stays"....


How about 1 vote for the GCs and 1 for the TCs just like in the EU....Oh! And a veto????? It works for them....


The European Parliament were law is made has proportional representation.
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Postby theodore » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:40 pm

[quote="Viewpoint"][quote="utu"]Personally, I do think that there is little need for 40,000 Turkish troops to be on Cyprus, if their function is as they state (defending the Turkish Cypriot people). They could easilly remove half that number and still maintain a deterrent from any attack.[/quote]


What difference does it make if they are 100.000 or 10.000, they will all go once these stubborned headed Gcs decide they want to share as 2 equals rather than maintain the GC state they have today which do you think they will choose??[/quote]

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All Turkish to go home [u][b]except the TC [/b][/u]that is not included the ones born there by parents of illegal occupancy. That is both parents are from Turkey and are illegally occupiers in Cyprus.
I am with the firm opinion that this group of people although born in Cyprus should be mark as illegals to the country accept if they come to agreement to obey the law and order of the government and cut tits with there mother land.
As a newly Cypriot my self now thinking with American mine of thought this is what true Cypriot's should ask and should happen. With America and EU together as a unite force Turkey must lessen and obey and go home to Turkey.
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Postby zan » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:43 pm

DT. wrote:
zan wrote:
DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
utu wrote:Personally, I do think that there is little need for 40,000 Turkish troops to be on Cyprus, if their function is as they state (defending the Turkish Cypriot people). They could easilly remove half that number and still maintain a deterrent from any attack.



What difference does it make if they are 100.000 or 10.000, they will all go once these stubborned headed Gcs decide they want to share as 2 equals rather than maintain the GC state they have today which do you think they will choose??


Wasn;t aware that the deal was "you give us 4 more votes per head than the GC's or the army stays"....


How about 1 vote for the GCs and 1 for the TCs just like in the EU....Oh! And a veto????? It works for them....


The European Parliament were law is made has proportional representation.


Thats three lots we need then......
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Postby DT. » Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:15 pm

zan wrote:
DT. wrote:
zan wrote:
DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
utu wrote:Personally, I do think that there is little need for 40,000 Turkish troops to be on Cyprus, if their function is as they state (defending the Turkish Cypriot people). They could easilly remove half that number and still maintain a deterrent from any attack.




What difference does it make if they are 100.000 or 10.000, they will all go once these stubborned headed Gcs decide they want to share as 2 equals rather than maintain the GC state they have today which do you think they will choose??


Wasn;t aware that the deal was "you give us 4 more votes per head than the GC's or the army stays"....


How about 1 vote for the GCs and 1 for the TCs just like in the EU....Oh! And a veto????? It works for them....


The European Parliament were law is made has proportional representation.


Thats three lots we need then......


3 lots of what?
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Postby zan » Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:39 am

DT. wrote:
zan wrote:
DT. wrote:
zan wrote:
DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
utu wrote:Personally, I do think that there is little need for 40,000 Turkish troops to be on Cyprus, if their function is as they state (defending the Turkish Cypriot people). They could easilly remove half that number and still maintain a deterrent from any attack.




What difference does it make if they are 100.000 or 10.000, they will all go once these stubborned headed Gcs decide they want to share as 2 equals rather than maintain the GC state they have today which do you think they will choose??


Wasn;t aware that the deal was "you give us 4 more votes per head than the GC's or the army stays"....


How about 1 vote for the GCs and 1 for the TCs just like in the EU....Oh! And a veto????? It works for them....


The European Parliament were law is made has proportional representation.


Thats three lots we need then......


3 lots of what?



1. The law makers that make the laws and then it can go to a vote on the two sides and both have to agree.......Just as silly as all the other options we have been given on this forum.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby DT. » Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:16 am

The lawmakers then vote for the laws Zan. You made a mistake of how laws are passed in the EU and I corected you. Now if you were reffering to the European council where some decisions require a unanimous vote then that is correct. For decisions such as accepting a new state into a federation or disbanding the govt it should require a unianimous vote from everyone on the council. (the executive)

As far as parliament matey it would be one man one vote which would vote in the best MP's (oxymoron i know) regardless of whether they are tc or gc. The it would simply act like any other parliament with majority vote.

Who knows the GC's might not act like the Turkish minority in Thrace and vote in a few TC's for you just cause they think they're good.
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