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Postby zan » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:26 am

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Pyrpolizer wrote:So what is really happening Zan? Explain it to us with facts. My posts above might help you grasp the reality instead of your wild imagination.

Yes i consider the partitionists traitors to the very same land that gave them birth.Salesmen of their own country.
I asked if he is a partitionist because he portrays himself as someone who is not.


The salesmen of their own country are those that will not do the right thing at the right time Pyro, as in the case of the "RoC" and all its followers.




As for what is happening...Did you read what Halil posted....If it is nothing then what the hell are yu responding to.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


So by your definition are the partitionists traitors or are they not? Give a straight answer once for a change.

As for your other vague answer I know very well what is happening, it's just a theatrical stage and banayir/bayram for the eyes of fools only. I responded asking halil some questions, and you jumped in confirming you are one of those the bayram was designed for on the first place.


If you dismiss al that has happened and all the problems of finding a solution and ask us to walk into the "RoC" naked and uncared for then with that perspective, all partitionists are traitors. If, on the other hand you are fair and see that there is no way out of this then the partitionists are practical. There is no clear answer and there never will be. I have said before that I would love to wonder all over Cyprus with my best friend who happens to be a GC but I cannot see it happening with the distortion of the truth by the "RoC" and Greek mentality the way it is. The refusal to acknowledge who is runniing the show from the Greek side is just one of the problems. Have a look at this:

Greece withdraws controversial history school book
By Karolos Grohmann
GREECE yesterday withdrew a high school history book that had infuriated the powerful Orthodox Church, Cyprus and historians who said it toned down Greek suffering at the hands of Ottomans and Turks.

The government's decision is the latest twist in a saga that has embarrassed the conservative government and left pupils, who started classes mid-September, without a key text book.
Protests had forced the government to revise the book for 11-year-olds, which was introduced last year.

But newly appointed Education Minister Evripidis Stylianidis said yesterday it had to be withdrawn before it was distributed after a state organisation responsible for the content of Greek text books ruled the revisions were not far-reaching enough.

"We decided to withdraw the book. It will be replaced by the old one and a new tender will be launched for a new history book," Stylianidis told reporters. "Children cannot be turned into guinea pigs."

The Church of Greece, a powerful institution in the mainly Orthodox Christian country, was the book's most fierce critic, demanding its immediate withdrawal months ago.

It had objected to a reference to a 1922 attack on the city of Smyrna – modern-day Izmir – by Turkish forces to drive out the occupying Greek army that forced tens of thousands of Greeks to flee.

The book described an event that left thousands dead, a large part of the city burnt and many more Greeks ending up refugees as "a congestion at the Izmir port".

The church also said the book failed to highlight its role during the 1821 Greek revolution against the Ottoman empire.

Cyprus' Education Ministry had also rejected the book, mainly because it called the island's division and subsequent failed peace talks as the "Cyprus issue" rather than the commonly used "Cyprus problem".

"It is clear the church is delighted by the government's initiative," Church of Greece spokesman Father Timotheos told Reuters. "The new book that will be written will give an objective account of the Greek state's history."

Stylianidis became education minister after the ruling conservatives won elections for a second term on September 16. (R)
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You say Turkish army we say Greek Church..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:34 am

Zan,

It was not the Greek Church that had the strongest objections to the book but the Athens Academy, the highest academic body in the country. They reviewed the book and found several inaccuracies. The Smyrni disaster was one, there were others. Most media commentators are also delighted at the withdrawal of the book.

The thing that typifies the whole nonsense as another mainland Greek mess is why the academy was not shown the book while it was still at the proof stage, and correct any errors then. Why wait till all the copies were ready to distribute to schools and then react? Why go through the public humiliation and waste of taxpayer money?
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Postby zan » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:48 am

Nikitas wrote:Zan,

It was not the Greek Church that had the strongest objections to the book but the Athens Academy, the highest academic body in the country. They reviewed the book and found several inaccuracies. The Smyrni disaster was one, there were others. Most media commentators are also delighted at the withdrawal of the book.

The thing that typifies the whole nonsense as another mainland Greek mess is why the academy was not shown the book while it was still at the proof stage, and correct any errors then. Why wait till all the copies were ready to distribute to schools and then react? Why go through the public humiliation and waste of taxpayer money?


I have nno intention of believing the first part of your post Nikitas and that will be explained by my reaction to the second.


There is a massive power struggle going on in Greek circles at the moment between what the EU regards as gospel and what the church does. The Greeks are fantastically talented at manipulating the situation and sabotaging things at the last moment. If the book had been discussed at the time of conception then wrongs would have been out right...Now the delay is the only thing that matters and this will go on for years.....Have a check with realty sometimes and see what is happening around you...The people at the top know what they are doing....
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:52 am

Viewpoint wrote:Some people cant stomach anything about TCs making connections or any hint of building relations with other countries, all for the sake of making TCs want unification with them puhh what a load of shit you people spout out. In y book its trying to keep us hostage so we accept 100% of your demands, cant you see this only serves to increase the vast chasm that already exists...viva la TRNC.

Well get used to it as long as this stalemate continues and the EU gets pissed off with GCs and their arrogant bloody mindedness these events will be on the increase...first tiny steps then an avalanche...its your won doing and you reap what you sow.


Why shouldn't the TC's make connections with other EU member states. The TC's are in the EU after all with their EU RoC Passports, or did you forget this little detail. So sure, people should meet and talk, there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't expect to circumvent official channels with Partitioning intentions, because then the whole thing is extremely painful and embarrassing to watch the disappointments, when we get turned down.

I'm just trying to save us "heart aches", that's all.!!
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:43 pm

zan wrote:
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Pyrpolizer wrote:So what is really happening Zan? Explain it to us with facts. My posts above might help you grasp the reality instead of your wild imagination.

Yes i consider the partitionists traitors to the very same land that gave them birth.Salesmen of their own country.
I asked if he is a partitionist because he portrays himself as someone who is not.


The salesmen of their own country are those that will not do the right thing at the right time Pyro, as in the case of the "RoC" and all its followers.




As for what is happening...Did you read what Halil posted....If it is nothing then what the hell are yu responding to.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


So by your definition are the partitionists traitors or are they not? Give a straight answer once for a change.

As for your other vague answer I know very well what is happening, it's just a theatrical stage and banayir/bayram for the eyes of fools only. I responded asking halil some questions, and you jumped in confirming you are one of those the bayram was designed for on the first place.


If you dismiss al that has happened and all the problems of finding a solution and ask us to walk into the "RoC" naked and uncared for then with that perspective, all partitionists are traitors. If, on the other hand you are fair and see that there is no way out of this then the partitionists are practical. There is no clear answer and there never will be. I have said before that I would love to wonder all over Cyprus with my best friend who happens to be a GC but I cannot see it happening with the distortion of the truth by the "RoC" and Greek mentality the way it is. The refusal to acknowledge who is runniing the show from the Greek side is just one of the problems. Have a look at this:

Greece withdraws controversial history school book
By Karolos Grohmann
GREECE yesterday withdrew a high school history book that had infuriated the powerful Orthodox Church, Cyprus and historians who said it toned down Greek suffering at the hands of Ottomans and Turks.

The government's decision is the latest twist in a saga that has embarrassed the conservative government and left pupils, who started classes mid-September, without a key text book.
Protests had forced the government to revise the book for 11-year-olds, which was introduced last year.

But newly appointed Education Minister Evripidis Stylianidis said yesterday it had to be withdrawn before it was distributed after a state organisation responsible for the content of Greek text books ruled the revisions were not far-reaching enough.

"We decided to withdraw the book. It will be replaced by the old one and a new tender will be launched for a new history book," Stylianidis told reporters. "Children cannot be turned into guinea pigs."

The Church of Greece, a powerful institution in the mainly Orthodox Christian country, was the book's most fierce critic, demanding its immediate withdrawal months ago.

It had objected to a reference to a 1922 attack on the city of Smyrna – modern-day Izmir – by Turkish forces to drive out the occupying Greek army that forced tens of thousands of Greeks to flee.

The book described an event that left thousands dead, a large part of the city burnt and many more Greeks ending up refugees as "a congestion at the Izmir port".

The church also said the book failed to highlight its role during the 1821 Greek revolution against the Ottoman empire.

Cyprus' Education Ministry had also rejected the book, mainly because it called the island's division and subsequent failed peace talks as the "Cyprus issue" rather than the commonly used "Cyprus problem".

"It is clear the church is delighted by the government's initiative," Church of Greece spokesman Father Timotheos told Reuters. "The new book that will be written will give an objective account of the Greek state's history."

Stylianidis became education minister after the ruling conservatives won elections for a second term on September 16. (R)
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Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2007


You say Turkish army we say Greek Church..... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


What are you talking about man? the partitionists are practical because of what happened???
Then how about those who want all the Tcs out of Cyprus then, are they practical too???? ow about those who want a new war?

Nobody who targets something he can never do, no matter how problem solving that might be is practical.

Hey Zan here's something really practical. 2 nukes one on Troodos one at Pentadaktylos, Cyprus problem solved. :lol:







































Shit. What happened? Why the nukes haven't fired? :wink:
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Postby zan » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:53 pm

Not a practical man then Pyro :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Practical because we are at a point already so we move on from there....NO???? Of course not!! There are no refugees left mate....Lets be practical...All you want is revenge on a people that you wronged...Nukes work also but keep your mouth shut and arse to the ground.......
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:33 pm

Being practical means to serve a purpose efficiently.
Your purpose is partition. Forget it.
Your purpose it to legalise the illegal theft. Forget it.
Your purpose is to wait for Refugees to die, and then claim their lands. Forget it. Their children get them.

Any more purposes Zan to see how practical you can be?
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Postby zan » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:36 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Being practical means to serve a purpose efficiently.
Your purpose is partition. Forget it.
Your purpose it to legalise the illegal theft. Forget it.
Your purpose is to wait for Refugees to die, and then claim their lands. Forget it. Their children get them.

Any more purposes Zan to see how practical you can be?


As I said...Impractical to a point... What you have listed is a wish list and not a practical one..Practical is to leave the people where they are and compensate them for their loss. The impractical and emotional one that you are asking for does not qualify. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:52 pm

Yes Zan that would indeed serve the purpose of selling my country to thieves and crooks very effectively. You 've been very practical!
After of course you took everything through a non so practical mobilation of Turkeys army, killing and ethnic cleansing of the Gcs etc.
How about buying everything from you at double the price? :razz:
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Postby zan » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:30 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Yes Zan that would indeed serve the purpose of selling my country to thieves and crooks very effectively. You 've been very practical!
After of course you took everything through a non so practical mobilation of Turkeys army, killing and ethnic cleansing of the Gcs etc.
How about buying everything from you at double the price? :razz:



Not for sale sweetheart...We payed for it in blood and persecution from you guys. You pushed us into 3% of our own country and we expanded...The Akritas Plan did not expect that one now did it......Sorry Tpap...Try writing a revised version.. :lol: :lol:
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