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[miltiades]

I am sorry to learn that you dislike me, you indicate that your reasons for doing so is my apparent 'respect' for the leaders of nations that are frowned upon by our own, if you were to analyse my opinions a little more thoroughly, you may well understand that such is not the case, I merely state that, whether or not we agree with their policies, they are entitled to the respect their position commands, it is not our (ordinary people's) absolute right to hurl abuse at those who govern other nations for a very particular reason, WE DON'T KNOW the TRUTH behind what the leaders of other nations are doing (or intending to do) since we are not privy to the information neccessary for us to make disparaging remarks, we only know what we are allowed to know by those who control WHAT we should know.

Hence, I do not see much point in offering insult about something of which I have scant knowledge.

My views on the sanctity of life are precisely the same as yours, in all probability I have a higher regard for it than do you since I have seen far more suffering than you have (a certain fact), I have been responsible for inflicting suffering and have been equally instrumental in relieving it, the latter being far more bearable where the question of conscience comes into the equation.

YOU have often expressed your 'Hatreds' in your posts, I don't think I ever have (though you interpret my posts as evidence that I do 'Hate') I have a very strong dislike for many but 'Hatred' for none.

Best wishes to you and your family and God Bless.

Many people in the latter 30s and early 40s expressed similar sentiments about Adolf Hitler. Also similar views were expressed for Sadam Husein , Idi Amin , Mussolini , Robert Mugabe , not forgetting the late Emperor of Central Africa !!!! , Saparmurat Niyazov the late , and of course your old mate Fidel . All vicious ruthless dictators using arbitrary authority that NO LEGAL means can remove them from power. In particular one f.. ng idiot Robert Mugabe who has turned one of the richest countries in natural resourses into a sesspit. Yet Eliko has this to say : """""""whether or not we agree with their policies, they are entitled to the RESPECT their position commands, it is not our (ordinary people's) absolute right to hurl abuse at those who govern other nations for a very particular reason, WE DON'T KNOW the TRUTH """
Are you out of your mind , do you honestly expect respectable civilized wise men and women to show respect to these abhorren dictators ??

[CopperLine]

Militiades,
I don't know if Fidel is a mate of anyone in this forum but I was just wondering what you thought his crime was ? Leading a revolution that overthrew a massively corrupt, mafiosi riddled, Battista regime ? Leading a government that rid Cuba of depths of poverty ? Leading a country which produces the highest number of doctors, nurses and teachers per capita in the world ? Leading developments which make Cuba one of the most highly educated, healthiest and welcoming of societies in the world ?

Not content with committing these terrible crimes of providing free education and free health care for his own people he then extended these misdemeanours to millions of Latin Americans and Africans in particular. Cuba trains more doctors, nurses and health workers to the highest standards from Latin America for free than the US charges for. What a crime !

[Eliko]

CopperLine, the article you have brought to our notice is quite interesting in that it possibly confirms the fact that president Ahmadinejad's statement DOES lean towards comparison rather than fact.

In the U.K. (not so long ago) it was an offence to practice or display homosexual tendencies, I believe relaxation of the law occured around the time when Jeremy Thorpe, (a liberal M.P) became the subject of a lawsuit.

The phrase "coming out of the closet" became well known and suddenly many high and low profile individuals decided to "come out" and good luck to them.

I don't know how the law in the U.S.A. stood at that time, perhaps the U.K. followed theirs or vice-versa.

The fact that Iran views homosexuality with such disdain could well be the basis of the president's remarks, it also occurs to me that there may be in existence a body of 'Undercover Agents' whose sole purpose is to root out what they believe to be an immoral practice, if that be the case, David Shariatmadari may well have had a lucky escape.

I do not think the above suggestion is beyond belief, bearing in mind the nature of the Iranian government's apparent views on the subject, neither do I think anything I have written is indicative of any personal opinion.

Perhaps some member (better informed than myself) can confirm if my young memory serves me well or otherwise.

[zan]

Wasn't George Micheal caught in the same way in the US???

[Eliko]

I am sorry to learn that you dislike me, you indicate that your reasons for doing so is my apparent 'respect' for the leaders of nations that are frowned upon by our own, if you were to analyse my opinions a little more thoroughly, you may well understand that such is not the case, I merely state that, whether or not we agree with their policies, they are entitled to the respect their position commands, it is not our (ordinary people's) absolute right to hurl abuse at those who govern other nations for a very particular reason, WE DON'T KNOW the TRUTH behind what the leaders of other nations are doing (or intending to do) since we are not privy to the information neccessary for us to make disparaging remarks, we only know what we are allowed to know by those who control WHAT we should know.

Hence, I do not see much point in offering insult about something of which I have scant knowledge.

My views on the sanctity of life are precisely the same as yours, in all probability I have a higher regard for it than do you since I have seen far more suffering than you have (a certain fact), I have been responsible for inflicting suffering and have been equally instrumental in relieving it, the latter being far more bearable where the question of conscience comes into the equation.

YOU have often expressed your 'Hatreds' in your posts, I don't think I ever have (though you interpret my posts as evidence that I do 'Hate') I have a very strong dislike for many but 'Hatred' for none.

Best wishes to you and your family and God Bless.

Many people in the latter 30s and early 40s expressed similar sentiments about Adolf Hitler. Also similar views were expressed for Sadam Husein , Idi Amin , Mussolini , Robert Mugabe , not forgetting the late Emperor of Central Africa !!!! , Saparmurat Niyazov the late , and of course your old mate Fidel . All vicious ruthless dictators using arbitrary authority that NO LEGAL means can remove them from power. In particular one f.. ng idiot Robert Mugabe who has turned one of the richest countries in natural resourses into a sesspit. Yet Eliko has this to say : """""""whether or not we agree with their policies, they are entitled to the RESPECT their position commands, it is not our (ordinary people's) absolute right to hurl abuse at those who govern other nations for a very particular reason, WE DON'T KNOW the TRUTH """
Are you out of your mind , do you honestly expect respectable civilized wise men and women to show respect to these abhorren dictators ??

miltiades, you distress me by responding once again in your usual manner, I did hope that you would see some sense in what I wrote, you are obviously incapable of doing so.

You just HAD to end with an attack on my 'MIND', you completely missed the point once again BUT, you nearly made it to the end mate, there is hope for you yet.

[Eliko]

Wasn't George Micheal caught in the same way in the US???

There are still laws covering the actions of George Michael and co, I think there have been several similar cases reported but my understanding is that they are considered offences against public decency, not sure though, perhaps someone knows better.

[halil]

Iran Denies HomosexualsStop playing with İRAN.
İ am just warning you .....
Mind your own business.

[miltiades]

Militiades,
I don't know if Fidel is a mate of anyone in this forum but I was just wondering what you thought his crime was ? Leading a revolution that overthrew a massively corrupt, mafiosi riddled, Battista regime ? Leading a government that rid Cuba of depths of poverty ? Leading a country which produces the highest number of doctors, nurses and teachers per capita in the world ? Leading developments which make Cuba one of the most highly educated, healthiest and welcoming of societies in the world ?

Not content with committing these terrible crimes of providing free education and free health care for his own people he then extended these misdemeanours to millions of Latin Americans and Africans in particular. Cuba trains more doctors, nurses and health workers to the highest standards from Latin America for free than the US charges for. What a crime !

Is that so mate , I wonder what reason the thousands upon thousands of Cubans had in risking their lives to escape from this wonderful paradise island , well educated maybe , but at number 89 in the rankings for GDP with a per capita GDP of $3900.00 it makes you wonder if indeed the highly educated Cubans , most below international levels of poverty , manage to put their good education into productive use. Incidentally , Fidel Castro was at number 15 on the list of the worlds worst dictators. Do some research sunshine . Can you provide a link so that we can also marvel at the benefits extended by Fidel to MILLIONS of Latin Americans and Africans ?

[CopperLine]

Eliko,
There's an outline history of gays and lesbians in the UK, including changes in legislation, at

http://www.stonewall.org.uk/information_bank/history__lesbian__gay/89.asp

The key date is 1967 when the "Sexual Offences Act came into force in England and Wales and decriminalised homosexual acts between two men over 21 years of age and ‘in private.'"

I wanted to make a comment on the whole discussion about sexuality : It seem to me that human beings have displayed a wide range of sexualities, some of which can be described as 'sexual preferences' (which implies that they are consciously chosen). Just as for any straight heterosexual sexual act, other sexualities taking place between consenting adults seems to me perfectly OK. It is their private business as consenting adults.
However too often gay sexuality is made to look as if it is all about cruising, cottaging, and so on - as if sexual relations are only public acts. This is akin to reducing heterosexuality to lads' mags, wolf whistles and rape.

Anyway, back on thread, the crucial question is why are religious authorities (as well as other authorities) so obsessed with trying to regulate and discipline people's sexuality ?

[miltiades]

[quote
miltiades, you distress me by responding once again in your usual manner, I did hope that you would see some sense in what I wrote, you are obviously incapable of doing so.

You just HAD to end with an attack on my 'MIND', you completely missed the point once again BUT, you nearly made it to the end mate, there is hope for you yet. [/quote]

Eliko , do you know how many times you repeated the same thing over and over again : "I did hope that you would see some sense in what I wrote, you are obviously incapable of doing so."" and "you completely missed the point once again BUT, you nearly made it to the end mate, there is hope for you yet. [/quote] ""
I DI NOT ATTACK YOUR MIND , I ATTACKED YOUR BRAIN POWER !!
Are you by any chance one of those millions that benefited from the generous education provided by Fidel , if so I can understand what a waste it was , in my humble opinion of course Eliko !

Tell me about Mugabe please Eliko , you seem to understand his type more than anyone !!!!