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[denizaksulu]

Please, all, stick to the original topic in your postings and avoids comments about other Forum members.

Lana

Lana

Is it permissible to say how lovely you are? If the answer is yes,'you are lovely'. If 'no' then I retract my statement.
Regards

You charmer you !

Whats left for 'old timers' like me and you. Be nice to each other. Like your self, you have in you too.

Regards
Deniz

[zan]

Martianides miltiades, I must confess that you have me in stitches over your latest comments.

At 4.33 pm you wrote :- "Cypriots fly neither Greek flags nor Turkish flags"

At 7.20 pm (subsequent to delivering your usual insult) you declare that Eric dayi is incapable of understanding what you post and deliver more insult, THEN,


You change your statement to :- "Neither the G/Cs or the T/Cs should fly foreign flags"

Of course you end with yet another insult, which begs the question, "Are you alright Sir?"

I hope nobody else notices your rapid change of statement, I won't say anything.

Einstein , your English is fluent , not that I really care what the hell you think , but just to clarify what I said here it is. Just to make easy for your tired brain , what it means boy is this. Eric flies the Turkish flag therefore to me he is a foreigner , just as if a G/C does , and many in the past did on this forum , therefore his claim that he is a Cypriot is not valid because , Einstein , "" Cypriots neither fly Greek flags nor Turkish flags ""
THIS WAS MY POST >
"""""""As far as Eric's' claim that he is a Cypriot , I refute that , he is a foreigner .
"""Cypriots neither fly Greek flags nor Turkish flags ""

Clear now boy ?

According to your assertion, the act of flying the flag of either Greece or Turkey disqualifies the person (or persons) from the right to call themselves 'Cypriots'.

YOU, on the other hand, a resident of the U.K. for the past 45 years or so, constantly harp on about your own 'Cypriotness', it would appear that there is one law for YOU and one for OTHERS.

I think you are waiting for the outcome of Cyprus's political entanglement before you make your TRUE opinions known, then you will be able to return and tearfully embrace your 'Countrymen' (whoever they may be) and proudly stand under whichever flag represents them, you seem to be able to accept the 'UNION' flag without much difficulty.

I prefer the company of folk who stand by their principles and act in accordance with them, that way you will always know which side of the fence you are on, (absolutely essential in times of strife) don't you agree ?.

You really have no idea have you .Cant you not see that the Cyprus problem is not about financial , religious , or any other reasons but it is 100% entirely due to the "motherland" perceptions held by the G/Cs and T/Cs .Flying either the Greek or Turkish flag re enforces the division , it removes instantly any common ground between the people of Cyprus , why is it that I , along with Bir , Kikapu and so many others have an affinity with each other when it comes to the Cyprus problem. It is because we are wise enough to know that the only chance that Cyprus has of resolving this " conflict" is by rejecting those factors and removing the barriers , like the foreign flags for instance and substituting them with the flag of the ROC , a flag designed by a T/C , or a new flag repressentative of both communities.
This is what people such as Eric totaly ignore. Over 80 % of the people of Cyprus ( and since he states he is a Cypriot they are therefore his people also )see the Turkish flag as the flag of an invater , the flag of an occupier , but he cares not , because he , just like EOKAB is hell bent on uniting with his "motherland " effectively antagonising a section of the Cypriot community and removing any compatible common ground.
My above comments are also applicable to the G/Cs who by flying the Greek flag are acting in similar fashion to Eric.

On a personal level , let me tell you I dislike you , I consider you a well educated individual but one who has totally lost sense of reality.
You appear to have an enormous amount of respect for world leaders that the entire Western world views with disdain. Mugabe a brutal dictator is one them , the Iranian leader is another , Bin Laden ranks high amongst your admired list of leaders , not forgetting Castro .
You are only too ready to come to the difference of this bunch of loonies at a drop of a hat.
I'm certain that you have views on Hitler too and they are most certainly not those of mine. You obviously would wish to examine the roots of his hideous crimes .

As for this childish immature nonsense of calling me Martianides , carry on boy if it gives you a kick , but drop this intentional patronising Sir that you often use when you wish to sound polite.

The only thing that you and Kiks and Bir are saying is "Lets all be friends". The obstacles that stand in the way of that simplistic and obvious statement does not seem to bother you. The realities of what went on and what is going on does not enter into the equation and so, for you, it all seems as simple as putting innocent people behind bars and not charging them and suspending the laws by which you live but cannot afford the same for people with beards. THEN, you call that a reality.

You use the same logic to sell us the "Cypriot" flag. It is designed by a TC so it must be acceptable. Forget the point that it has not represented a single TC for over 40 years and then you wonder why we disagree with you. I feel cold when I see the "RoC" flag...It means nothing to me...Can I put it any clearer.

Put your ideals and Kikapus Turkish name theory into practice and you will see thousands of Turkish Cypriots shipped off to Turkey because they do not fit into your ridiculous mould of "Cypriot" or citizen of the world. My father had no formal education and thinks that everything that was invented was by Turks...You on the other hand seem to have all the benefits but no more perspective of the world than he. The real name for what you and Kikapu want is "Population exchange". The old times are still hanging over our heads Miltiades. Time for humanity to take over....

[big jay]

The British were quite capable of atrocities in the times of the struggle for freedom, the opposing forces, duly named 'Terrorists' but actually men willing to die for their beliefs, had no alternative but to adopt guerrilla tactics since they were ill-equipped to face the might of the British Army.

the IRA are murdering terrorists who killed and maimed innocent men, women and children in mainland uk who had nothing to with the Irish issue.

[Eliko]

miltiades, (I will drop the pre-fix which was yours by your own invitation) I am totally in agreement with you on the issue of the unification of Cyprus, there should be no discrimination between G/C and T/C, nor would there be had it not been for the political and military interference with the indigenous population of the country.

The people of this country were renowned for their hospitality and generosity in days gone by, to some extent they still are and long may they continue to be so, unfortunately, the geographical location of the island is such that it would not suit the politicians and military leaders to have peace here, it would be an imbalance to the region it is situated in and would be too visible to other nations if it demonstrated it's peaceful attributes.

Cyprus is now primarily a miltary base, it affords an ideal observation post for those who have created turmoil in the Middle East and will remain so, whatever solution the politicians and military leaders concoct in the name of the people they supposedly represent.

The continuous verbal battles taking place in high offices (on behalf of the people) are mere smoke-screens created in order to maintain disharmony on the island, the TRUTH is that nobody in those official positions gives a hoot about how the ordinary people feel, ultimately they (the politicians and military leaders) will determine what suits them best.

I am sorry to learn that you dislike me, you indicate that your reasons for doing so is my apparent 'respect' for the leaders of nations that are frowned upon by our own, if you were to analyse my opinions a little more thoroughly, you may well understand that such is not the case, I merely state that, whether or not we agree with their policies, they are entitled to the respect their position commands, it is not our (ordinary people's) absolute right to hurl abuse at those who govern other nations for a very particular reason, WE DON'T KNOW the TRUTH behind what the leaders of other nations are doing (or intending to do) since we are not privy to the information neccessary for us to make disparaging remarks, we only know what we are allowed to know by those who control WHAT we should know.

Hence, I do not see much point in offering insult about something of which I have scant knowledge.

My views on the sanctity of life are precisely the same as yours, in all probability I have a higher regard for it than do you since I have seen far more suffering than you have (a certain fact), I have been responsible for inflicting suffering and have been equally instrumental in relieving it, the latter being far more bearable where the question of conscience comes into the equation.

YOU have often expressed your 'Hatreds' in your posts, I don't think I ever have (though you interpret my posts as evidence that I do 'Hate') I have a very strong dislike for many but 'Hatred' for none.

So you see Sir, I am not such a bad chap after all,, (in my humble opinion) I do hope that you will discover that fact for yourself soon, I intend to demonstrate such to you in due course and you will eat your words my friend.

Best wishes to you and your family and God Bless.

[Eliko]

tessintrnc, you are absolutely right in your assessment of the manner in which the problems of Ireland were sometimes dealt with (particularly in the cases of internment).

The British were quite capable of atrocities in the times of the struggle for freedom, the opposing forces, duly named 'Terrorists' but actually men willing to die for their beliefs, had no alternative but to adopt guerrilla tactics since they were ill-equipped to face the might of the British Army.

Similar situation in Iraq actually, I expect I will now be tagged as an I.R.A. fanatic along with the other titles bestowed on me by our 'Know Nothing' old friend.

The ability to observe and draw conclusions WITHOUT the influence of the media (who are controlled by the politicians) is something to be rather pleased with, it does not mean that you agree with what is happening, it means that you realize that there must be a reason for it, THAT is where the ability to understand both sides becomes useful.

I know (from some of your other posts) that you are a person WITH such capabilities and I admire you for it.

Best Wishes to you and God Bless you.

big jay, welcome to the forum and good luck with your postings.

Your comments about the I.R.A. are of little consequence here since we were discussing the question of internment.

Do you have any opinions on that subject and it's comparison with 'Guantanamo' ?.

The question of torture of innocent prisoners in those notorious places was the subject material I believe.

[Eliko]

As usual Eliko , your humble opinion is merely that !!
Your mates , the Mahdi Army , must be proud of you but I'm NOT. You are seriously disturbed , but do me a favour please , why the hell do you constantly include your self as part of the West , you are nothing of the sort , you are an Al Qaeda sympathiser , you support the gruesome murders by the savages of Iraq , if you are part of the West then I'm a martian so cut the crap out Eliko you are fooling no one.

Sir, since you have stated that you will identify yourself as a 'Martian' if I am of the West, I must inform you that 'Henceforth' I will address you as such.

I do hope you will enjoy your new identity, may I refer to you as 'Martianides'?.

miltiades, by your own comment you invited me to regard you as a 'Martian' and I duly obliged, you have subsequently taken umbrage to it and I have withdrawn it.

You also seem to find it offensive when I address you as 'Sir' (a sign of respect for your age as far as I am concerned), I will not address you in such a manner in future.

I actually considered the pre-fix slightly amusing, you did not appreciate the humour and I apologise for my lack of foresight.

Actually it is YOU that invariably opens the door to insulting exchanges, if you take the time to look back over your postings you will find verification of that fact.

I will be a little more careful in future, it is not in my nature to be offensive and I sometimes feel obliged to respond in kind.

[CopperLine]

This is an informative brief article, addressing the opening question to this thread :

No gay people in Iran, Mr President? News to me ...


David Shariatmadari
Wednesday September 26, 2007
The Guardian

Like the crowds gathered outside Columbia University, my first reaction was to laugh out loud. Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, lecturing students in New York ahead of his UN speech, was characteristically blunt. "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals. In Iran we don't have this phenomenon." Put to one side for a minute the centuries-old tradition of homo-erotic poetry, the bisexuality of successive Iranian kings and the disco scene that was beginning to flourish just as the 1979 revolution put a stop to all partying. If Ahmadinejad claims that there are no gay people in Iran, well, he's either stupid or a liar. He must know gay men and women exist, because he supports the laws used to persecute them.

In July 2005, while Ahmadinejad's predecessor, Mohammad Khatami, was still in power, images of the execution of two apparently gay teenagers were seen around the world. In November that year, less than six months into Ahmadinejad's presidency, it happened again. Mokhtar and Ali, two men in their mid-20s known only by their first names, were executed in the northern town of Gorgan for lavat - sex between men.
These extraordinary punishments, though rare, affect the lives of all gay Iranians, raising the terrifying possibility that one day they will be made an example of. Human nature being what it is, though, this doesn't stop them living their lives, having sex and falling in love.

I'm quite happy to argue the point with the president. I'm only half-Iranian and I was born in Britain, so my own homosexuality could of course be put down to the taint of western genes.

But when I was in Tehran earlier this year, gay men certainly were in evidence. One day, early for an appointment, I was ambling round one of the city's many parks. A guy sat down on the bench opposite, pretending to read the paper. In fact, he was making rather obvious eyes at me. After a few moments, he came over and reeled out his line: "Don't I know you from somewhere?" (It sounds as cheesy in Farsi as it does in English.) Offering to take me on a tour of Tehran, he made pointed references to Park-e Laleh, the city's biggest cruising ground. I made my excuses and hurried on to my meeting. Now, was I cruised, or was it a figment of my imagination, Mr Ahmadinejad?

From : http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2177128,00.html

[Get Real!]

What a pity so many foolish people, Filitsa included, saw fit to take this one naive statement about homosexuality made by Ahmadinejad with which to fill the media with TRIVIAL RUBBISH giving the US media the "perfect" excuse to ignore EVERYTHING else Ahmadinejad said of substance.

[Southerner]

President Ahmadinejad was greeted with laughter and cries of disbelief when he told students and staff at Columbia University: "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals. In Iran we don't have this phenomenon. I don't know who has told you we have it."

What amazes me is although President Ahmadinejad uses the correct term the author quickly reverts to the slang term of "gay"; a term that I refuse to use because it has taken a happy and innocent word out of the English language and corrupted it. If gay is acceptable so is woofter, faggot, brown hatter, queer, ponce etc
Regarding the original question it just goes to confirm the intolerance displayed by the islamic Faith.

[CopperLine]

You can find a transcript of Ahmadinejad's speech at : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/24/AR2007092401042.html

and the context and circumstances of the speech at :

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/07/09/sipairan.html

For what it is worth, I think what he had to say was very confused, ill informed and scatty. Maybe it is a poor translation, but I think not. I'm not sure that there's anything of much substance there (but there is a bucket load of hypocrisy eg early on he says "In a university environment we must allow people to speak their mind, to allow everyone to talk so that the truth is eventually revealed by all." Not something that happens in Iran without the harshest of repressions, in contrast to Columbia University which is about as open an environment as you'll get).