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[miltiades]

The manifesto of those held at Quantanamo Bay :
"""We say that the end of the United States is imminent, whether Bin Laden or his followers are alive or dead, for the awakening of the Muslim umma [nation] has occurred. (28 Dec 01)

The aggressor [the US] deserves punishment. (6 Oct 02)

Do your governments not know that the White House gangsters are the biggest butchers of this age? (12 Nov 02)

I tell the American people: God willing, we will continue to fight you. We will continue the martyrdom operations inside and outside the United States until you end your injustice, abandon your stupidity, and curb your insolent fellows. (18 Oct 03)
11 September 2001 attacks


Polls showed that the vast majority of the sons of the Islamic world were happy about these strikes because they believe that the strikes were in reaction to the huge criminality practised by Israel and the United States in Palestine and other Muslim countries. (3 Nov 01)

When you talk about the New York and Washington raids, you talk about those men who changed the course of history and cleansed the chapters of the nation from the filth of the treasonous rulers. (10 Sept 02)

The confusion caused to the enemy was sufficient to make people wake up from their slumber and rise for jihad for the sake of God. I had the honour of knowing these men. One is honoured by knowing such men. (10 Sept 03)
I urge you to seek the joy of life and the afterlife and to rid yourself of your dry, miserable and spiritless materialistic life. I urge you to become Muslims

Israeli-Palestinian conflict


Those who distinguish between America and Israel are the real enemies of the nation. (3 Nov 01)

Following World War I, which ended more than 83 years ago, the whole Islamic world fell under the crusader banner - under the British, French, and Italian governments. They divided the whole world, and Palestine was occupied by the British. Since then, and for more than 83 years, our brothers, sons, and sisters in Palestine have been badly tortured. (3 Nov 01)

The act that horrified the world; that is, the killing of the old, handicapped [Hamas spiritual leader] Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, may God have mercy on him, is sufficient evidence. (15 Apr 04)

The UN


Under no circumstances should any Muslim or sane person resort to the United Nations. The United Nations is nothing but a tool of crime. We are being massacred everyday, while the United Nations continues to sit idly by. (3 Nov 01)
Europe


I also offer a reconciliation initiative to them [Europeans], the essence of which is our commitment to stopping operations against every country that commits itself to not attacking Muslims or interfering in their affairs - including the US conspiracy on the greater Muslim world... The peace will start with the departure of its last soldier from our country. The door of reconciliation is open for three months of the date of announcing this statement. (15 Apr 04)
Madrid bombings


The greatest rule of safety is justice, and stopping injustice and aggression. It was said: Oppression kills the oppressors and the hotbed of injustice is evil. The situation in occupied Palestine is an example. What happened on 11 September [2001] and 11 March [the Madrid train bombings] are your goods returned to you. (15 Apr 04)
Bali bombing


What do your governments want from their alliance with America in attacking us in Afghanistan? I mention in particular Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia.
Why should fear, killing, destruction, displacement, orphaning and widowing continue to be our lot, while security, stability and happiness be your lot?

We warned Australia before not to join in [the war] in Afghanistan, and [against] its despicable effort to separate East Timor. It ignored the warning until it woke up to the sounds of explosions in Bali. (12 Nov 02)

Religion


It is a question of faith, not a war against terrorism, as Bush and Blair try to depict it. (3 Nov 01)

It has become clear that the West in general and America in particular have an unspeakable hatred for Islam. (28 Dec 01)

Peace be upon those who follow the right path. I am an honest adviser to you. I urge you to seek the joy of life and the afterlife and to rid yourself of your dry, miserable and spiritless materialistic life. I urge you to become Muslims (6 Oct 02)
Justification for jihad (holy war)


The well-camouflaged trenches and targets will not be reached by either the smart or the stupid missiles

Why should fear, killing, destruction, displacement, orphaning and widowing continue to be our lot, while security, stability and happiness be your lot?
This is unfair. It is time that we get even.

You will be killed just as you kill, and will be bombed just as you bomb. (12 Nov 02)

Iraq


O mujahideen brothers in Iraq, do not be afraid of what the United States is propagating in terms of their lies about their power and their smart, laser-guided missiles... The well-camouflaged trenches and targets will not be reached by either the smart or the stupid missiles.

Under these circumstances, there will be no harm if the interests of Muslims converge with the interests of the socialists in the fight against the crusaders, despite our belief in the infidelity of socialists. (11 Feb 03)

America has fallen into the quagmires of the Tigris and Euphrates. Bush thought that Iraq and its oil are easy spoils. Now, he is in a critical situation, praise be God. Today, America has started to cry out and crumble before the entire world. (18 Oct 03)

They [the Gulf states] feared that the door would be open for bringing down dictatorial regimes by armed forces from abroad, especially after they had seen the arrest of their former comrade in treason and agentry to the United States when it ordered him to ignite the first Gulf war against Iran, which rebelled against it. (04 Jan 04)

We must take into consideration that this war brings billions of dollars in profit to the major companies, whether it be those that produce weapons or those that contribute to reconstruction, such as the Halliburton Company... (15 Apr 04)
Gulf States


It has become clear that the rulers are not qualified to apply the religion and defend the Muslims. In fact, they have provided evidence that they are implementing the schemes of the enemies of the nation and religion and that they are qualified to abandon the countries and peoples. (04 Jan 04) """"

This is the philosophy that each and every prisoner adheres to .

[CopperLine]

Miltiades,
The kind of nonsense that you have just posted enrages me


Manifesto ! how can the inmates write a manifesto when they are kept incommunicado. Total and utter bollocks.

You might at least have the courtesy of putting your source for this heap of horse manure.

And have you yet read the links I posted for you ?

[miltiades]

Go to Google and do a search on Al Qaeda , as easy as that !!
Yes I have read links you provided , opinions I dont share .
The " kind of nonsense " that as you say I posted are the mutterings of the Al Qaeda leadership and the doctrine by which all disciples of this sick " organization " subscribe to .
Here is a link that will lead you to enlightenment I hope !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2638437.stm
Here is another link that might also help you understand "What happened to the UK , or rather what WILL happen to the UK .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6066732.stm

[twinkle]

Truth is President Ahmadinejad said, "In Iran, we don't have homosexuality like you do in the United States." What do you think he meant by this?

There are, they just aren't allowed to be publicly open about it. What he meant was that in the US you are free to express your sexual orientation, where as in Iran there is no freedom for sexual orientation, media nor expression.

[tessintrnc]

Getting back to question posed - I beieve he means that there shouldn't be any homosexuals in Iran, because it is against God's laws (both in Islam and Christianity and Judaism). HOWEVER, more tolerant societies accept people's sexual preferences without batting an eyelid. I do not believe that Islamic countries that have religeous leaders in the Governments will EVER allow gay parades , gay bars, etc etc but God willing will one day end the persecution of those that do not fit into the "norm" as they see it.
Tess

[miltiades]

Getting back to question posed - I beieve he means that there shouldn't be any homosexuals in Iran, because it is against God's laws (both in Islam and Christianity and Judaism). HOWEVER, more tolerant societies accept people's sexual preferences without batting an eyelid. I do not believe that Islamic countries that have religeous leaders in the Governments will EVER allow gay parades , gay bars, etc etc but God willing will one day end the persecution of those that do not fit into the "norm" as they see it.
Tess

Very well said Tess , although we have to be careful with " sexual preferences " , there are numerous sexual preferences that are perverted and illegal .Homosexuality is tolerated and accepted in the West , none should have a problem with this , but certain other "sexual preferences " are morbid , immoral and highly dangerous as well as utterly despicable.

[CopperLine]

Militiades,
You are unbelievablely reckless. The link you give to the BBC story on Al-Qaeda makes NO REFERENCE AT ALL to Guantanamo nor any of the detainees there. It makes NO REFERENCE AT ALL to any manifesto. This is all product of your wild imagination.

The second link about UK & Pakistan has got nothing to do with (a) Guantanamo, (b) and is a vague and general speculation about al-Qaeda recruitment and re-grouping. I ask you - did you actually bother reading your own links ?

Most of what is contained in the links I suggested are not 'opinions' so the point is not whether you share opinions or not. The point is the relative reliability of evidence. And your problem is that no evidence is as good, even better, for your 'opinions' than reliable evidence. It is your 'fuck-the-evidence-just-string-them-up' attitude that we're fighting against.

The sad thing is you literally do not know what you are talking about and you are utterly unaware of the consequences of your talking out of bigoted ignorance.

Back to the opening of this thread - people in Iran, gays including, are clearly not going to get any help from you.

[CopperLine]

Miltiades,

The " kind of nonsense " that as you say I posted are the mutterings of the Al Qaeda leadership and the doctrine by which all disciples of this sick " organization " subscribe to .

So the 'mutterings' - your word - of an al-Qaeda leadership are the grounds for locking up and torturing people for whom NO CONNECTION with al-Qaeda has been established or even identified.

And your example of finding evidence is 'Go to Google and do a search on Al Qaeda' I can't even begin to list what is wrong with thinking that Googling is the equivalent to fiding evidence ! I am gobsmacked that you even suggest this is a credible way of proceeding.

Incidentally why were you Googling al-qaeda when our subject had become Guantanamo. Let me think ... you assumed that there was a connection between the two. Should I likewise assume that you are a dangerous idiot or would you want me to consider evidence before I came to a judgement about you ?

[Kikapu]

As much as I love my friend Miltiades, he is dead wrong when it comes to finding people guilty in a collective manner and talk about the Democratic values of the West at the same time. No one said that a guilty terrorist should not be punished for their acts, but lets prove that they are terrorist first, then impose the punishment, and not the other way around.

Most of all those who were flown in to Guantanamo on C-5 cargo planes from Afganistan in the early days of the war there, shortly after 9/11 was nothing but a public consumption fed by the Bush Administration to the Americans by saying, "you see, I'm putting all the criminals away and I'm keeping you safe". The American public ate this and looked the other way, when it came to all the Human Rights violations inflicted on these people, who were just picked up from the "battlefield" guilty or not. They had room for about 400 cells and they were filled at the expense of these unfortunates, who may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Even after 5 years, the US government is not able to bring charges against almost all of the detainees as to their guilt or not, so how on earth they were deemed guilty at the time they were all picked up.

This of course is the mentality of the supporters of the Death Penalty in the USA, that even if mistakes are made and innocent are executed, and innocents have been executed in the past, in the name of "crime prevention" which is also not the reality, but will be explained away by saying such things as, "well, you can't make an omelette without breaking few eggs" as long as of course, it is not their neck that is on the "chopping block".

[humanist]

Where's Birk I haven't seen him post for a couple of nights, hope all is well.