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[Eliko]

miltiades, the majority of ordinary people throughout the world desire peace and stability in their lives, that fact is beyond doubt and I would never dispute it.

Iraq, in common with many other Eastern/Middle Eastern countries has a large population, the majority of which have no real interest in politics since they are primarily concerned with the daily needs of their families ( and as they are culturally different to the West) their neighbours also.

As is common with most nations, politicians target the majorities since it ensures that they will gain control, in order to do so, they will make whatever promises necessary to secure favour with those who they rely on to elect them.

You, I, and most others among us realise that simple fact and have come to accept it as normal, we have even reached the point where we make jokes about our political leaders and (quite rightly) accuse them of being a law unto themselves since they lie to us and deceive us almost daily.

We proudly announce that we are a Democracy, we advise other nations to adopt the principles of Democracy, we (and I refer to the West) have unlawfully attacked an innocent nation, made it known to the entire world that such an action was the result of many falsehoods uttered by our leaders and slaughtered thousands of innocent civilians in the process.

The prospect of becoming a 'Democracy' somehow loses it's appeal when viewed through the eyes of those who are aware of it's potential to alter the system they are accustomed to, regardless of what we of the West may perceive that system to be.

To those who are NOT so aware, (the simple gullible people who merely wish for a peaceful life) promises are made, an election is 'Gerrymandered' and the nation is deemed to be a 'Democracy', all this taking place in the midst of a violent uprising to oust those who have foisted it upon them.

Thus the terms 'insurgent' and 'terrorist' become applicable to those who now resist the aggressor.

As to the 'Suicide Bomber', they are the ones whose actions are highlighted in order to disguise what is really taking place (has taken place) in Iraq, a handy tool for the furtherance of 'Democracy' since such actions as they do take is (of course) horrifying to all of we who are informed of it.

One significant point to consider is the fact that there were no such 'Suicide Bombers' PRIOR to the unlawful attack on Iraq, perhaps the Western leaders are thankful that THEY have created such monsters, it reduces OUR ability to show compassion for the sufferings of those who are now forced to live under the threat of a 'Democracy' which they quite obviously do not want.

In my humble opinion.

[dinos]

This is so typical of the anti west censorship, selectivly quoting/printing/film editing anything to show the west in a bad light.

The fact is that there are better examples out there that could have better illuminated Zan's point. Either way, in this instance, we're talking about isolated cases where the police find themselves incapable of doing their jobs and have to resort to technology to either think or act for them.

It really took 5 or 6 officers to handle that guy and that's pretty darned pathetic. Every one of those bungling, donut-stuffed idiots should have been fired for incompetence. A tazer is supposed to be a last resort, but in many cases it becomes a crutch, or an extension of the ego. Again, that's pretty pathetic.

[FreeSpirit]

One significant point to consider is the fact that there were no such 'Suicide Bombers' PRIOR to the unlawful attack on Iraq, perhaps the Western leaders are thankful that THEY have created such monsters, it reduces OUR ability to show compassion for the sufferings of those who are now forced to live under the threat of a 'Democracy' which they quite obviously do not want.In my humble opinion.

One significant point to consider is that most of the terrorists are from outside Iraq and supplied by Syria and Bin Laden, maybe that is why there were no suicide bombers before the people of Iraq were freed from the genocidal maniac Saddam Hussain.
You will get no credibilty with your continuance of displaying ons sided views.

[Eliko]

[quote="FreeSpirit"] The conclusion I have come to in this short time is that you never answer a question unless it is with a question.
At least from what I have seen Miltiades makes qualified statements whereas yours are your opinions and sweeping generalisations not facts.[quote>]

Subsequent to reading the above, I spent a little time revising what I had written up to the point of your 'Conclusion'. (perhaps you should do likewise).

I feel I should congratulate you on your inability to engage in an intelligent exchange of views for an obvious reason.

I posed FIVE small questions which I would not consider of great importance in the context of my exchanges with miltiades.

I made at least SIXTY statements up to the point of your ignorant intrusion, statements which I feel are qualified since they are factual.

Concern yourself with the 'Spice Girls' my friend, I smell 'Chicken Soup' again.

[Eliko]

One significant point to consider is the fact that there were no such 'Suicide Bombers' PRIOR to the unlawful attack on Iraq, perhaps the Western leaders are thankful that THEY have created such monsters, it reduces OUR ability to show compassion for the sufferings of those who are now forced to live under the threat of a 'Democracy' which they quite obviously do not want.In my humble opinion.

One significant point to consider is that most of the terrorists are from outside Iraq and supplied by Syria and Bin Laden, maybe that is why there were no suicide bombers before the people of Iraq were freed from the genocidal maniac Saddam Hussain.
You will get no credibilty with your continuance of displaying ons sided views.

Regardless of where the 'Suicide Bombers' hailed from, they were not active in Iraq PRIOR to the unlawful attack upon that innocent nation.

If you regard that as one-sided, you may have my sympathy,

[FreeSpirit]

One significant point to consider is the fact that there were no such 'Suicide Bombers' PRIOR to the unlawful attack on Iraq, perhaps the Western leaders are thankful that THEY have created such monsters, it reduces OUR ability to show compassion for the sufferings of those who are now forced to live under the threat of a 'Democracy' which they quite obviously do not want.In my humble opinion.

One significant point to consider is that most of the terrorists are from outside Iraq and supplied by Syria and Bin Laden, maybe that is why there were no suicide bombers before the people of Iraq were freed from the genocidal maniac Saddam Hussain.
You will get no credibilty with your continuance of displaying ons sided views.

Regardless of where the 'Suicide Bombers' hailed from, they were not active in Iraq PRIOR to the unlawful attack upon that innocent nation.

If you regard that as one-sided, you may have my sympathy,

Obviously you are one of those who supported Saddam's mass murder and opression policies, your silence would have been deafening whilst under Saddam the Marsh Arabs were exterminated by the hundreds of thousands. you will no doubt support the so-called elected prime minister of Kenya and worship the memory of Idi Amin, one thought; did you complain when the African nations deposed Idi Amin? after all he was the elcted ruler
If the coalition did one thing wrong it was not finishing the job properly the first time.

[Eliko]

One significant point to consider is the fact that there were no such 'Suicide Bombers' PRIOR to the unlawful attack on Iraq, perhaps the Western leaders are thankful that THEY have created such monsters, it reduces OUR ability to show compassion for the sufferings of those who are now forced to live under the threat of a 'Democracy' which they quite obviously do not want.In my humble opinion.

One significant point to consider is that most of the terrorists are from outside Iraq and supplied by Syria and Bin Laden, maybe that is why there were no suicide bombers before the people of Iraq were freed from the genocidal maniac Saddam Hussain.
You will get no credibilty with your continuance of displaying ons sided views.

Regardless of where the 'Suicide Bombers' hailed from, they were not active in Iraq PRIOR to the unlawful attack upon that innocent nation.

If you regard that as one-sided, you may have my sympathy,

Obviously you are one of those who supported Saddam's mass murder and opression policies, your silence would have been deafening whilst under Saddam the Marsh Arabs were exterminated by the hundreds of thousands.
If the coalition did one thing wrong it was not finishing the job properly the first time.

All the above juvenile points you now raise have been discussed severally ages ago on this very forum.

If you have anything relevant to contribute to THIS topic, I am sure we will all be pleased to learn of it, other than that, I do believe' Posh Spice'has recently been photographed exposing her panties on stage.

One small example of why some of the respectable nations of the world have such an aversion to 'Democracy'

I believe the 'Sun' newspaper caters quite admirably for YOUR ilk.

If you will not take the trouble to research this topic, kindly read the bottom line.

[FreeSpirit]

One significant point to consider is the fact that there were no such 'Suicide Bombers' PRIOR to the unlawful attack on Iraq, perhaps the Western leaders are thankful that THEY have created such monsters, it reduces OUR ability to show compassion for the sufferings of those who are now forced to live under the threat of a 'Democracy' which they quite obviously do not want.In my humble opinion.

One significant point to consider is that most of the terrorists are from outside Iraq and supplied by Syria and Bin Laden, maybe that is why there were no suicide bombers before the people of Iraq were freed from the genocidal maniac Saddam Hussain.
You will get no credibilty with your continuance of displaying ons sided views.

Regardless of where the 'Suicide Bombers' hailed from, they were not active in Iraq PRIOR to the unlawful attack upon that innocent nation.

If you regard that as one-sided, you may have my sympathy,

Obviously you are one of those who supported Saddam's mass murder and opression policies, your silence would have been deafening whilst under Saddam the Marsh Arabs were exterminated by the hundreds of thousands.
If the coalition did one thing wrong it was not finishing the job properly the first time.

All the above juvenile points you now raise have been discussed severally ages ago on this very forum.

If you have anything relevant to contribute to THIS topic, I am sure we will all be pleased to learn of it, other than that, I do believe' Posh Spice'has recently been photographed exposing her panties on stage.

One small example of why some of the respectable nations of the world have such an aversion to 'Democracy'

I believe the 'Sun' newspaper caters quite admirably for YOUR ilk.

If you will not take the trouble to research this topic, kindly read the bottom line.

What a pathetic way of crawling out of an answer, I have read this topic through, it is your pathetic remarks about attacking innocent people; yet you fail to condem the despot Saddam, it is a fact that the terrorists are for the most part from outside Iraq so aren't those people who supply them more guilty than the coalition as the terrorists for the most part target Iraqi civillians.
Also if this is a public forum I have a right to take part in a debate without being labled ignorant, if anything the ignorance is on your part for ignoring all the facts and just presenting a biased view.
The news doesn't begin and end with Iraq there are other issues going on in the world such as Kenya, the islamist Al Quaeda terrorists today holding 250 Muslim children hostage in a school in Pakistan.
Take off the blinkers.

[miltiades]

Eliko , I missed the knicker flashing by Posh , not my type anyway but I'm certain that the most ardent watches of "pornography " in the world , the Arabs and North Africans would have enjoyed it.
ps . Whats in a pair of knickers anyway , the West doesn't keep the honour of the household in such a "messy" area !

[phoenix]

Eliko, it is quite hard for some people to make the leap necessary to move onto a less familiar aspect of a well-trod path.

Go easy on free-spirit, and I am sure a window will open in his subconscious, and he will catch up with you on that beam of light that led Einstein into the quantum era, to be subsequently followed by others.