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[FreeSpirit]

[As to the Japanese and their attack on 'Pearl Harbour', cowardly though it may appear to be, it was at least an act which embraced the tenets of warfare and is therefore not a suitable comparison.:

Wrong
The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was against the priciipals of warfare because they attacked without declaring war and in doing so murdered many civillians in the process.

[Eliko]

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The 'Shock and Awe' bombing attack DID take place from the safe altitude of 6 miles thus ensuring that no defence was possible.

Mercifully, no carpet bombing took place at that stage and nobody has suggested it did, certainly it was used at a later stage in the campaign of aggression (a more suitable title than 'War').

The continuous references to Saddam Hussein's regime and his shocking treatment of his subjects, is of no consequence in this particular instance since such issues were only highlighted subsequent to the unlawful attack being condemned by most of the civilized world.

Had Saddam Hussein been the primary target and his removal so vital on account of his cruel treatment, a small detachment of S.A.S. commandos could have quite easily taken him out.

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No free fall bombing took place in the second gulf war!

Saddam's brutal treatment of his own and other countries people was well documented/highlited before the first gulf war,
Remember the chemical attacks on all sexes and ages of the Kurdish people before and after the first gulf war as well as the marsh arabs.

Saddam had several stand ins/lookalikes and never stayed in the same place two nights running, he had dozens of homes/palaces.

It was proven that many of the times that he appeared in a none speaking roll in public that a stand in was used.

Well, YOU certainly aren't in any danger of being accused of taking note of what is written are you ?.

All the above is of no consequence to this discussion.

Don't remember mentioning 'Free Fall' bombing, do you ?.

There is no such thing as a 2nd 'Gulf War'.

[Eliko]

[As to the Japanese and their attack on 'Pearl Harbour', cowardly though it may appear to be, it was at least an act which embraced the tenets of warfare and is therefore not a suitable comparison.:

Wrong
The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was against the priciipals of warfare because they attacked without declaring war and in doing so murdered many civillians in the process.

I am obliged to contradict your assertion, the world was engulfed in a bloody war at the time of the Japanese action.

[Eliko]

There elections going on at the moment , can you recall anyone being shot at

Give the poor bleeders a chance miltiades, they haven't become President yet !!!!.

[miltiades]

Eliko , I'm sick and tired of all the nonsense emanating out of religion. The days have gone when the poor and oppressed had nothing other than religion to sustain them .Blasphemous is the continuation by the state in not resisting the onslaught of religion in our every day lives.
Imagine you being God Eliko and you had all these third worldies telling you how great you are every bloody day of the year wouldn't you get bored with so much repetition and send down a bloody tsunami or a couple of earthquakes just to to shut them up !!

[Eliko]

Eliko , I'm sick and tired of all the nonsense emanating out of religion. The days have gone when the poor and oppressed had nothing other than religion to sustain them .Blasphemous is the continuation by the state in not resisting the onslaught of religion in our every day lives.
Imagine you being God Eliko and you had all these third worldies telling you how great you are every bloody day of the year wouldn't you get bored with so much repetition and send down a bloody tsunami or a couple of earthquakes just to to shut them up !!

miltiades, the thought has often occured to me that the Good Lord must indeed be very tolerant.

Can you imagine the ear-bashing he/she (political correctness demands) suffers from the continuous wailings of those who raise their voices in adoration, the smells that pervade the nostrils as a result of the burnt and other offerings, the constant supplications for spiritual guidance ?.

It is written, that before the Lord destroys any nation, He/She will make it mad first, I wonder that the Lord has not suffered the same fate (due to the foregoing).

The final reward for goodness is the promise of eternal life, I put it to you, "Can you imagine anything more frightful than such a prospect ?"

Keep that little secret under your hat miltiades lest everyone should dismiss piety, THEN, we would surely be in a fix, I'll warrant.

[FreeSpirit]

[in the process.

I am obliged to contradict your assertion, the world was engulfed in a bloody war at the time of the Japanese action. [/quote]

Fool the war was confined to Europe, North Africa and the near east it becam a world war when Japan entered.

[FreeSpirit]

Don't remember mentioning 'Free Fall' bombing, do you ?

Yes you did, you used an altitude of 6 miles whish is free fall bombing.

Fool

[Filitsa]

miltiades, thank you for your response and may I say that you have (probably inadvertently) raised a quite interesting point in mentioning the 'Chicago Gunman'.

Such events are quite commonplace in the U.S.A. and are naturally viewed with a certain amount of disdainment by other nations.

Do you not consider it possible that on account of such actions occuring in what we consider to be OUR civilized society, THEY feel it would be detrimental to theirs were they to adopt OUR 'Democratic' principles ?.

No doubt you will counter my point by highlighting some obscure peculiarity which exists elsewhere BUT, the fact is that WE of the West (and I include myself ) are trying to forcefully introduce 'Democracy' to those nations which neither need nor want it.

If other nations view our 'Democratic' system with such misgivings, surely we should have the intelligence to ask ourselves WHY. it is quite apparent to me, DIFFERENCE, people do not want change since they are suspicious of it.

Which would you prefer to drink miltiades, 'Taylor's Port' or 'Vinegar' , it's as simple as that.

In my humble opinion.

Eliko , the USA is a massive country as you know made up of populace of myriad ethnicities. It is a free country and there is a constitution , the greatest ever piece of legislature guarantying its citizens freedom , human rights and freedom of speech. the homicide rate per 100000 in the USA IS 5.9 , which places America at no.27 .
TO put these figures in perspective , Jamaica tops the list with 46.59 followed by Venezuela at 42 and South Africa at 39.5. Turkey at 3.83 , some 40% lower than the USA and Cyprus at 1.70 .When you look at the overall world picture you will see that the USA is pretty well positioned , bearing in mind that this nation is made up from mostly all nations of the world.
There elections going on at the moment , can you recall anyone being shot at , intimidated or arrested for supporting the wrong candidate, NO , This is the USA not Iran , Iraq , Egypt , Kenya , Jamaica or any other third world nation.
LONG LIVE AMERICA AND MAY SHE CONTINUE TO BE THE SUPERPOWER BECAUSE GOD HELP US IF CHINA PICKS UP THE MANTLE !!!
God help especially those who dont believe in Him. !!!

Exactly, Miltiades. I attempted to make the same point in another thread when suggesting that it is laughable to compare the societal dynamics of Cyprus to the U.S. The impact of ethnic diversity alone precludes this.

U.S. economic power has reached a plateau as China's and Japan's economies continue to strengthen and the middle class continues to grow in countries such as India.

[Eliko]

[in the process.

I am obliged to contradict your assertion, the world was engulfed in a bloody war at the time of the Japanese action.

Fool the war was confined to Europe, North Africa and the near east it becam a world war when Japan entered.[/quote]


Whatever turns you on mate.