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[FreeSpirit]

I am not justifying the action, merely trying to understand it.quote]

And that is quite understandable, but, having come to the opinion that there is nothing understandable or justifiable about such actions your credibilty collapses when you always use the same whipping boys; the evil UK & USA.

Since I obliged you when you asked me to answer YOUR question, I wonder if you will have the goodness to answer MINE.

Do you consider the attack on Iraq as LAWFUL.

No I don't I've never said so on this forum or anywhere.

And not to detract from my answer the big mistake was not doing the job properly in the first place.

The second mistake was not keeping the local police and army in place under strict control, this is what the British did extremely successfully in the far east when using surrendered the Japs to maintain law and order towards the end of WWII, Blair wanted this Bush vetoed it.

[Eliko]

I am not justifying the action, merely trying to understand it.quote]

And that is quite understandable, but, having come to the opinion that there is nothing understandable or justifiable about such actions your credibilty collapses when you always use the same whipping boys; the evil UK & USA.

Since I obliged you when you asked me to answer YOUR question, I wonder if you will have the goodness to answer MINE.

Do you consider the attack on Iraq as LAWFUL.

No I don't I've never said so on this forum or anywhere.

And not to detract from my answer the big mistake was not doing the job properly in the first place.

The second mistake was not keeping the local police and army in place under strict control, this is what the British did extremely successfully in the far east when using surrendered the Japs to maintain law and order towards the end of WWII, Blair wanted this Bush vetoed it.

Whereas the first conflict with Iraq was brought to a conclusion, there is no point in speculating on what might have been subsequent to it.

Had that campaign continued, possibly things might be different now, we will never know.

At least we are agreed then that the attack was unlawful.

Since it is now past midnight here, I feel obliged to retire, thank you for an interesting (if not friendly) encounter, perhaps we may resume later.

Meantime, Best Wishes and Good Night.

[Filitsa]

Filitsa , these primitive people , mothers and fathers , inflict horrific injuries to their children by mutilating their heads mostly , so that they prove their faith to God !! In our world should such disgusting attack on our children take place , the parents would be locked in a mental asylum. Eliko justifies such actions by giving various examples of self mutilation that took place through out history , in all cases amongst barbarians. After all cannibals inflicted horrific death to their "dinners " !!!

I don't know, Miltiades. These people have been traumatized, so I have difficulty exacting value judgment upon them. A healthy mother is biologically predisposed to nurture her young. This Iraqi mother who took her child along to detonate her suicide bomb must have been despondent.

By the way, Eliko. Although I heard of the account of this mother on National Public Radio News, I've yet to read about it in the newspapers. Hmmm . . .

[FreeSpirit]

I don't know, Miltiades. These people have been traumatized, so I have difficulty exacting value judgment upon them. .

Wouldn't you be traumatised if you with your child/mother/father/brother/sister/ husband or wife were visting a pet market, a petrol station, a mosque, a bus queue, hospital in fact anywhere that it is normal to be and some muslim terrorist detonated a bomb nearby sending bits of body parts showering down on you?

Very few of these people were actualy hurt during the coalition attacks the vast majority have been the victims of their own religious group, muslim terrorists.

[Eliko]

By the way, Eliko. Although I heard of the account of this mother on National Public Radio News, I've yet to read about it in the newspapers. Hmmm . . .

Filitsa, that is probably because the possibility exists that this 'Mother' does not.

A clever piece of propaganda for the perusal of the masses perhaps ?.

We can no longer rely on anything we are 'Allowed' to be informed of by our press, therefore we are compelled to rely on our own judgement when it comes to determining responsibility for every act of slaughter.

Can we even be sure of the fact that the two alleged female suicide bombers were suffering from 'Downs Syndrome' ?.

It adds a little more spice to the atrocity if we are informed that they were.

There are so many others ready to commit themselves to 'Martyrdom' it just seems a little illogical to me that they should be so used.

As a propaganda weapon, an excellent psychological ploy, cunning and devastatingly effective in stirring up even more hatred, WE will never know.

In my humble opinion.

[Eliko]

Very few of these people were actualy hurt during the coalition attacks the vast majority have been the victims of their own religious group, muslim terrorists.

As a result of the 'Shock and Awe' attacks on Iraq, at which time Baghdad was subjected to aerial bombardments from high altitude (thus ensuring that there was no possibility of defence), close to 7,000 innocent civilians lost there lives.

That event was possibly THE most cowardly military attack ever perpetrated in the history of human conflict.

Such actions and the result of them, deserve to be regularly brought to the attention of us all.

LEST WE FORGET.

[miltiades]

Very few of these people were actualy hurt during the coalition attacks the vast majority have been the victims of their own religious group, muslim terrorists.

As a result of the 'Shock and Awe' attacks on Iraq, at which time Baghdad was subjected to aerial bombardments from high altitude (thus ensuring that there was no possibility of defence), close to 7,000 innocent civilians lost there lives.

That event was possibly THE most cowardly military attack ever perpetrated in the history of human conflict.

Such actions and the result of them, deserve to be regularly brought to the attention of us all.

LEST WE FORGET.

Eliko it is clear to all on this forum that you are consumed by a massive amount of hatred for every thing that is Western
Can you please tell us , that since many on this forum posted their photographs , but not you and that is your right , are you by any chance a little dwarf half cast wearing a toupee and extremely an eyesore , that would go someway in explaining the huge chip on your shoulder !!

[Eliko]

Good morning miltiades, thank you for your new assessment of me, I have been thoroughly examined (by you) as far as my mental faculties are concerned, you have condemned my educational qualifications and you now shift your attention to my appearance.

On all three accounts your degree of accuracy is quite abysmal, in keeping with many other of your assessments.

I cannot agree with your contention that I am consumed by a massive amount of hatred for everything that is Western , nor can I accept that it is clear to every member on this forum that I am so consumed.

I take it that you base such assumptions on the fact that MY views are often opposed to YOURS, which is quite childish since we are supposedly in debate and therefore MUST present our views accordingly, if we do not,debate becomes pointless since we would all be in agreement.

You have no doubt read my two responses to Filitsa and Free Spirit respectively and no doubt drawn your latest conclusions from the content of those two.

I do apologize if you find them upsetting, they seem to be quite reasonable to me, particularly since they are sourced on considered possibility and actual fact (respectively).

If you are content to accept the information you are allowed to receive from those who have constantly lied to you in the past, that is entirely your choice, others, like myself, are more prone to THINK about what we are told, unfortunately it would appear that YOU are incapable of such a basic requirement in civilized debate, therefore an argument and nasty name -calling ensues (quite frequently in both yours and other cases).

I do NOT hate everything Western, I have NEVER stated that I do and it is a sad indictment of your own inability to understand what is written when you make such nonsensical assumptions.

Apart from all that, I think your great !, have a nice day and Best Wishes to you and your family.

[miltiades]

I have to admit , I do like you , even though you are so dreadfully misplaced when it comes to two Dawn Syndrome children being used by these barbarians to inflict death and destruction.The allies were 100 to invade Iraq and topple the sadistic killer Sadam Husein , legal or not legal the bastard has gone and the people of Iraq can begin to re build their nation. Alas the barbaric and savage forces driven by a warped interpretation of a false religion , all religions are false by the way , will not give them a chance. Stooping so low as to use such vulnerable people in their quench for blood is not only inhumane but barbaric .This justifies my views which I have held solidly for years now.
You annoy me when you make absurd observations based on scatological assumptions. Today a man in Chicago gunned down 5 women in cold blood. This sadistic murderer needs to be found soon and put out of action , not fucking analysed so that we can find out why he committed such a horrid crime , we all know why because he is a piece of human shit that ought to be put away as soon as possible . I dont want to know about his sad childhood , that his parents abused him , that he was bullied at school , we are all personally responsible for our own actions just as these barbarians are responsible for their own ghastly actions.
Still on for that drink !!!

[Eliko]

miltiades, thank you for your response and may I say that you have (probably inadvertently) raised a quite interesting point in mentioning the 'Chicago Gunman'.

Such events are quite commonplace in the U.S.A. and are naturally viewed with a certain amount of disdainment by other nations.

Do you not consider it possible that on account of such actions occuring in what we consider to be OUR civilized society, THEY feel it would be detrimental to theirs were they to adopt OUR 'Democratic' principles ?.

No doubt you will counter my point by highlighting some obscure peculiarity which exists elsewhere BUT, the fact is that WE of the West (and I include myself ) are trying to forcefully introduce 'Democracy' to those nations which neither need nor want it.

If other nations view our 'Democratic' system with such misgivings, surely we should have the intelligence to ask ourselves WHY. it is quite apparent to me, DIFFERENCE, people do not want change since they are suspicious of it.

Which would you prefer to drink miltiades, 'Taylor's Port' or 'Vinegar' , it's as simple as that.

In my humble opinion.