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[Eliko]

The practise of killing their own people is also something which fits into the framework of their beliefs since, according to THEM (not to us) they are saving the souls of their victims by destroying them, thus ensuring that they will not be contaminated by the evil forces that attacked them. (ridicule is pointless):

That is the biggest load of self opinionated bullshit that you have come up with so far.
Show us interviews with the grieving families telling us that it is alright for their loved ones to be killed maimed or injured.
If you honestly believe what you have written to be correct then you are as big a fool as you sound.
Also Quamersland says that these people who do this are not true muslims as what they are doing is against the muslim faith.
Now you'r at loggerheads with your mate Quamersland.

You have selected a small passage from a lengthy explanation and returned insult for my troubles.

You are a brave man my friend.

Best Wishes to you.

[FreeSpirit]

May be you are not aware of the Fatwa given by Muslim scholars 2 years before in Pakistan that it is Haram(Prohibited) in Islam to attempt suicide attack to kill innocent people whether it is against the Muslims or non Muslims. and all the famous scholar in the world also condemn it

i condemn the suicide attack in Iraq and surely Allah swt will punish those who were involved

There you are straight from the horses mouth.

[Eliko]

May be you are not aware of the Fatwa given by Muslim scholars 2 years before in Pakistan that it is Haram(Prohibited) in Islam to attempt suicide attack to kill innocent people whether it is against the Muslims or non Muslims. and all the famous scholar in the world also condemn it

i condemn the suicide attack in Iraq and surely Allah swt will punish those who were involved

There you are straight from the horses mouth.

And where did I indicate that these 'suicide bombers' were acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam ?.

It would appear that whenever you open your mouth, a fool looks out. (metaphorically of course).

[FreeSpirit]

And where did I indicate that these 'suicide bombers' were acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam ?.

It would appear that whenever you open your mouth, a fool looks out. (metaphorically of course).

Well they're singing the praises of allah when they go about their merry business of saving these poor unwilling soles.

Regarding mouths it would be a good idea if you used your feet for walking as intended instead of putting them in your mouth.

[Eliko]

And where did I indicate that these 'suicide bombers' were acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam ?.

It would appear that whenever you open your mouth, a fool looks out. (metaphorically of course).

Well they're singing the praises of allah when they go about their merry business of saving these poor unwilling soles.

Regarding mouths it would be a good idea if you used your feet for walking as intended instead of putting them in your mouth.

There is an old Arabic saying which roughly translated says :-

"We made music together, I sang while you played and then you saw darkness"

[FreeSpirit]

And where did I indicate that these 'suicide bombers' were acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam ?.

It would appear that whenever you open your mouth, a fool looks out. (metaphorically of course).

Well they're singing the praises of allah when they go about their merry business of saving these poor unwilling soles.

Regarding mouths it would be a good idea if you used your feet for walking as intended instead of putting them in your mouth.

There is an old Arabic saying which roughly translated says :-

"We made music together, I sang while you played and then you saw darkness"

You mean the typical arab stabbed him in the back.
Two true sayings Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts and beware of arabs

[phoenix]

I love maxims, idioms and any old sayings ... but I cannot fathom that one?

(Maybe one glass of wine too many )

[phoenix]

Oi .... stop posting more sayings before we have understood the original ones ....

Slow down .....

[denizaksulu]

I love maxims, idioms and any old sayings ... but I cannot fathom that one?

(Maybe one glass of wine too many )

That explains a lot.

[miltiades]

Taking your views on board and also allowing for the 'Gerrymandered ' election results, the question still remains, "Who instigated ALL of the horrendous actions taking place in Iraq?"

When a saucepan of milk boils over, don't blame the milk or the saucepan, blame the heat !.

Thought that might encourage a little more insight since you are in the business.

Yes but what has that got to do with muslims in Iraq killing muslims, according to your logic it is the US & UK forces they should be venting their anger on not each other.
Regarding who instigated all this; 95% is from outside iraq, this is not about the rights and wrongs of the coalitions actions it's about muslims killing muslims.
Take off the blinkers.

95% from OUTSIDE Iraq you say , I take it you have the necessary information to back up such an extraordinary claim.

If you have, I suggest you should forward it forthwith to the appropriate authorities, I am sure they will be most interested since they themselves are unable to make ANY assessments percentage wise.

Bully for you

Now you've tested the water let's hear your reply to the underlined section, come on don't be shy this question has repeatedly been asked of you please answer direct and not with a deflection.

Had you taken the trouble to research the subject before you barged in with your inane comments, you might have noticed that THAT precise question has already been questioned and answered.

It is because of that (and others) which fall into similar categories, that I have run the gauntlet on many occasions in defence of my views.

Since you wish to go over old ground and in order to satisfy your desire for understanding (which I seriously doubt) I will attempt to explain what MY opinion on the subject is.

Given that the nation of Iraq was unlawfully and murderously attacked for concocted reasons, the forces of that nation decided to fight back.

Such actions on their part were perfectly legitimate and there can be no dispute about it.

Unfortunately (for them), the forces of the aggressor were far superior to their own and defeat seemed likely.

In the face of such defeat, the forces of those outside of the uniformed army of Iraq, took up the cause as freedom fighters and continued the struggle which still rages now.

As far as the 'suicide attacks' are concerned, those who are prepared to sacrifice their lives for their cause do so for a specific reason, they BELIEVE that what they are doing is justified. (please note the fact that THEY believe)

I personally DO NOT share their beliefs, nor do I condone them BUT, I do understand the motivation because I have given the matter serious thought.

The practise of killing their own people is also something which fits into the framework of their beliefs since, according to THEM (not to us) they are saving the souls of their victims by destroying them, thus ensuring that they will not be contaminated by the evil forces that attacked them. (ridicule is pointless)

Those actions also serve to highlight the plight THEY consider themselves to be in, they have a great fear of 'Democracy', when you observe what 'Democracy' has done to their country (and many others) are they really at fault if they fear it ?.

I hope I have in some way managed to explain what 'I' feel about the subject, 'YOU' must of course form your own opinions.

I would strongly urge you to think well on what you feel, do not be influenced by the politically controlled press releases (or lack of them) which this thread is supposedly about.

In conclusion, I would like to inform you that I do not see the need for you and I to be at logger-heads, let us treat each other with the respect those of 'Democratic' nations are supposed to, lest others from 'Non-Democratic' nations should observe how we abuse each other verbally, thus adding strength to their resistance of it's adoption.

Have you taken leave of your senses man, I called you before an educated fool and promised myself that I would refrain from abusing you in the future , however this statement of yours :

""The practise of killing their own people is also something which fits into the framework of their beliefs since, according to THEM (not to us) they are saving the souls of their victims by destroying them, thus ensuring that they will not be contaminated by the evil forces that attacked
them.""""
And also this : """As far as the 'suicide attacks' are concerned, those who are prepared to sacrifice their lives for their cause do so for a specific reason, they BELIEVE that what they are doing is justified. (please note the fact that THEY believe) ""
Makes me puke and I would very much like to tell you something stupid.
These fucking barbarians , Moron , were not fighting for their cause they were killing indiscriminately men women and children of their own faith and ethnicity , because these unfortunate victims were in a pet market that these barbarians considered haram . Now plonker , listen to me , you are the most annoying stupid prat that gets right on my tits with your blatant stupidity, where the fuck did you get your brains from , a bloody cannibal or some barbarian living in the dark ages .I cant take your stupid justifications for such horrific crimes. Get your head out of your arse and ask admin to ban me, you stupid plonker.
Tell us one thing stupid , which forces from that nation are fighting back !!
PISS OFF.
WHAT A BLOODY WASTE OF AN EDUCATION !!! What a wanker !!