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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:46 pm

miltiades wrote:Hamas and its policy on Israel , ie to annihilate the state of Israel must surely be a major factor in the blockade of Gaza strip and the suffering of the Palestinian people. Their worst enemy has and always will the fanatics that have as their main agenda the destruction of Israel. Fanaticism is the main culprit and it is time that Hamas is put in its place by the Palestinian moderates. The state of Israel is not going to capitulate not now not ever.



Just a quick Hallo Miltiades.

I hope you and your wife are dong well. Take care.

If GCs had vowed to rid themselves or annihilate the Turkish Army, I would think it their right to do so. Israel has occupied Palestinians lands for over half a century. Surely you will not begrudge them that right.
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Postby FreeSpirit » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:02 pm

I find it strange that the Palestinian people in Gaza who are supposed to be in such a desperate plight that they cannot get food fuel and medical supplies etc etc; always manage to find plenty of katoosha (spelling) rockets to fire indiscriminately into Israel.
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Postby Eliko » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:15 pm

miltiades, how nice of the Israeli government to allow the inhabitants of Gaza City a little freedom.

So the 'Guest' has becomre the 'Master' in the region ?, one would have thought that the fact that the Isreli's are occupying (by gradual encroachment) a far larger area of the region which was originally stolen from the rightful inhabitants, would have a little more consideration for those bereft of their territory.

Contrary to the fact that a little gratitude is usually afforded to one's benefactors, the Israeli's have imposed a stranglehold on those who WERE powerless to oppose them, trouble is, those days are fast disappearing, the Arab nations have woken up and can now fight back.

I think (hope) that we are witnessing the birth of an uprising of the people when we see thousands of them rightfully opposing the draconian measures of the 'ever suffering' Jews, perhaps passive resistance will overcome the power of military might.

If ordinary people can learn to ignore the lies and deceit of politicians and military leaders and THINK for themselves, who knows, maybe one day they will awaken to the realities which lie behind every move those leaders make.

Beware the Jew miltiades, already he is encroaching upon the troubled area in the North of our island, he is an opportunist who will shed YOUR blood that you may preserve HIS, he will use YOU to fight for HIM and collect the spoils.

The Jew is lurking behind every conflict in the Middle East, backed by the U.S. who has become paymaster to them until the day they reverse the roles, you think the Turks are bad ?, watch out for the JEW. :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:35 pm

Eliko are you forgetting that not so long ago Palestinians were killing each other ?? The fact of the matter is that they will carry on massacring each other regardless of the Israeli position. I have always believed , and my beliefs are constantly strengthened , that any peoples whose main preoccupation is their religion , such people as evidenced in Sudan for instance , will always be the victims of their own creation. All that Hamas has to do is to declare an end to hostilities and accept the right of the Israelis to exist. Remember that every M.Eastern war was started by the Arabs not the Jews.They are there and there is nothing anyone can do about it.Accept it and negotiate a peaceful solution based on humanity and common sense.
Let me also add that I would trust the Jew just as little as I trust the Arab. Any people who have God as their be all and all is for me a nation of losers and troublemakers.
Long live reality and common sense , God doesn't like it , then tough luck. Can you believe that even chocolate , nuts , fish , marmalade and yes even bloody ice cubes MUST be Kosher !!! What bullocks ! Often wondered if contraceptives also have to be Kosher !!
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Postby Eliko » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:25 pm

miltiades, there is no way that religious beliefs can be competely dispensed with and (in these troubled times), it would be cruel to do so since there are so many people who have little else to hold on to.

Ordinary people do not kill each other by nature, they are whipped into frenzy by those who manipulate them and fill their hearts with hatred to suit their own purposes.

Hamas is not obliged to declare an end to hostilities, it is the truly elected government of the region and such a declaration would be interpreted as capitulation to the Israelis, who are the interlopers there.

Politics is a filthy business, it would not surprise me one little bit if it transpired that the Jews were firing rockets on themselves in order to justify their recent actions.

Before you start snarling with indignation, please note that I state that "It would not surprise me".

Obviously the conflicts would mostly be started by the Arabs, the fact that the Jews are there would account for that fact.

Trustworthiness is something which unfortunately has become a rarity in most nations, perhaps it is the result of usually honest people emulating the words and actions of their political leaders, I came from a stock where a hand-shake was a bond, the Jews prefer everything in writing, I think it has rubbed off on us all.

Common sense stems from the ability to think for ourselves, if we rely on the information and lies fed to us from the lying tongues of politicians (known and proven to be liars), if we believe the distorted and misguided accounts of what the media is ALLOWED by those politicians to report, if we then base our opinions on those sources of information, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE COMMON SENSE ?.

As to your closing comments, I agree that contraceptives should have certain classifications imposed on them when applied to the Jewish race, 'COMPULSORY' might be a small step towards peace on earth.

In my humble opinion. :wink:
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Postby FreeSpirit » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:47 pm

The Jews were always there although not in todays numbers, all that they have done is reclaim their homeland.
If you don't accept this then surely the Greek Cypriots no longer have a claim to their land in the north of Cyprus with the same reasonong applying to the Turkish Cypriots.
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:55 pm

FreeSpirit wrote:The Jews were always there although not in todays numbers, all that they have done is reclaim their homeland.
If you don't accept this then surely the Greek Cypriots no longer have a claim to their land in the north of Cyprus with the same reasonong applying to the Turkish Cypriots.



Agreed, partly but we talk of 'Israelis' and Zionism.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:45 pm

The Israels ought to release all land occupied in 1967 and the Palestinians including Hamas and Hezbollah ought to recognise the right of Israel to exist. As long as these bearded warriors continue harassing Israel on a daily basis with rockets fired indiscriminately at Israel then the killings and sufferings will carry on .The martyrdom nonsense constantly spewed out should be laid to rest and focus should be on finding a just solution for all people in that troubled region .
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Re: No News Not Necessarily Good News.

Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:50 pm

Eliko wrote:Have you noticed that recently there has been a distinct shortage of news coverage from Iraq ?.

I think the idea is to create the impression that there is peace and stability in that beseiged land, a well practised ploy by our leaders (who like to keep us in the dark as far as TRUTH is concerned) whilst they are now probably feverishly negotiating with the 'alleged' enemies of freedom in an effort to extricate themselves from a hopeless situation.

No doubt we will soon be hearing of how successful the various measures taken by the aggressors have been, let us not be fooled by such statements, rather, let us consider the plight of the millions of displaced and thousands of dead and dying as a result of the unlawful attack upon the innocents of that nation.

Let us also remember the thousands of dead and injured young men who were 'TRICKED' into engaging with the 'conjured up' enemies at the whim of their (proven to be untruthful) leaders.

How sad to see the mutilated bodies of babies, of young children, of old and young men and women, ALL victims of indiscriminate slaughter perpetrated by both sides of the conflict, the purpose of which will ultimately make not the slightest difference to either those who fight or those who are embroiled in the fighting.

WHO, among all members, whatever their religious beliefs, can justify what has and IS taking place in Iraq today?, whoever says they can should be ashamed to call themselves human.

I have seen it, I have shared the grief of many and I feel ashamed, how about you?. :(


A 2005 Human Rights Watch report analysed the insurgency in Iraq and highlighted, "The groups that are most responsible for the abuse, namely al-Qaeda in Iraq, Ansar al-Sunna and the Islamic Army in Iraq, have all targeted civilians for abductions and executions. The first two groups have repeatedly boasted about massive car bombs and suicide bombs in mosques, markets, bus stations and other civilian areas. Such acts are war crimes and in some cases may constitute crimes against humanity, which are defined as serious crimes committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack against a civilian population
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Postby phoenix » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:04 pm

What a shame that those silly people that think they have a right to occupy some land, just because their ancestors have been there thousands of years, are so inconsiderate that they will not accept that they have to die quietly and disappear from view, so that the great almighty brand-new USA can do what it likes in the area, such as improve it by exploiting, I mean improving, it for all it was worth.

God would not have put such phenomenal oil reserves in the area if it did not wish the American Evangelists do go there and exploit, I mean modernise.

What a darn nuisance that kids and people get in the way of the pioneering explorers, the Yankee troops ..... :roll:
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