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[denizaksulu]

Nor will you eversee phoenix, Talat made it clear the other day in his interview no compromise. in the meantime lets wait and see.

As far as am concerned the day partition comes through that is a very sad day for any intellectual. It will be the demise of Cypriot culture and for some the beginning of their Turkish identity, I guess someone has won then.

I will always value my Cypriot culture albeit the Turkish Cyp variety. No fear in the South Humanist. The Cypriot culture will always exist, till taken over by the 'brit' culture. (providing you allow it)

[phoenix]

Nor will you eversee phoenix, Talat made it clear the other day in his interview no compromise. in the meantime lets wait and see.

As far as am concerned the day partition comes through that is a very sad day for any intellectual. It will be the demise of Cypriot culture and for some the beginning of their Turkish identity, I guess someone has won then.

Humanist, I don't think what Talat wants is necessarily what he is going to get. He is just going through the motions expected of a mouthpiece for occupied land in it's last few glory days.

[phoenix]

Were the 374 title deeds handed out generated from Government owned land? The article doesn't make this clear.

The point about the pending 700 plots delaying matters because the land belong(ed) to TCs is just implying that this won't be touched until after re-unification.

I don't see any suggestion of an exchange with GC owned land in the occupied section.

Are these 'title deeds' 'conditional?'. Will the refugees still lay claim to their original homes? ( I realise we are talking of homes rather than land).
Why did it take so long. Immediately after 1974 we know the refugees were used as 'pawns' but what has changed? or has 'the penny finally dropped'?

I don't think anyone should suggest that the land owned by the GCs, currently and under illegal occupation, is only a "claim". It is theirs by rights and Law.
Any offers of land for homes mentioned in the article is probably for practical reasons that are now possible and does not exclude future re-unification proper.

[Nikitas]

Deniz,

An interesting, even though not directly relted subject, is the thesis of the economist de Soto who says that once you give landless people title then you automatically increase the economy size. This happens simply by the ability they have to negotiate financing with the security of an official title. I think that the granting of titles is simply this type of enabling refugees financially within the parameters of EU.

The land was government land as far as I can make out from the article, not expropriated TC land. The claim of these newly entitled people to their land in the north does not change. The claim is not based on their being landless, but on not having access and enjoyment of their property in the north regardless of other property they might own anywhere else.

The cyprus issue takes yet another fascinating turn.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

An interesting, even though not directly relted subject, is the thesis of the economist de Soto who says that once you give landless people title then you automatically increase the economy size. This happens simply by the ability they have to negotiate financing with the security of an official title. I think that the granting of titles is simply this type of enabling refugees financially within the parameters of EU.

The land was government land as far as I can make out from the article, not expropriated TC land. The claim of these newly entitled people to their land in the north does not change. The claim is not based on their being landless, but on not having access and enjoyment of their property in the north regardless of other property they might own anywhere else.

The cyprus issue takes yet another fascinating turn.

I am watching this space with interest. What follows god only knows.

[humanist]

Good for the RoC for taking this step to provide titles to its refugees it should have been done a long time ago. No more waiting for the Turks to leave. People need to move on with their lives and be compensated for their loses.

[zan]

Good for the RoC for taking this step to provide titles to its refugees it should have been done a long time ago. No more waiting for the Turks to leave. People need to move on with their lives and be compensated for their loses.

You are sounding more and more like me every day.......Take care my friend

[SN]

Wait and see what happens with Kosovo.Whatever happens the TC can easily use this as a precedent.Off course the Greeks will get their nosebleeds but it seems we are at a stalement in the Cyprus issue.So partition is also a solution that must be considered carefully.

[zan]

Wait and see what happens with Kosovo.Whatever happens the TC can easily use this as a precedent.Off course the Greeks will get their nosebleeds but it seems we are at a stalement in the Cyprus issue.So partition is also a solution that must be considered carefully.

It is SN...it is just the GCs that are not hearing it

[Nikitas]

Kosovo is not a preedent the Turkish side will want to follow. The devil being in the details the Kosovo plan calls for full respect of human rights of the MINORITIES within the province and it will have an international presence there to ensure these rights are respected. Now think of a TRNC with UN troops within it making sure that the rights of minorities within the TRNC are respected!!!!

ALso the Kosovo agreement does not change the property rights of any indidivual citizen nor does it legalise any colonisation that has taken place since the split up of Yugoslavia. Do you SN and Zan think that such a deal would go through in northern Cyprus?

Above all what you guys forget is that Kosovo is not a case of partition. Kosovo Metohia was already a distinct province and it is not being partitioned, there was no arbitrary drawing of borders or forced movement of population, it is becoming autonomous or independent depending on which solution is finally accepted. The Albanians were the majority in Kosovo for generations before the trouble erupted. The parallel is not valid, but even if some decide to draw a parallel let us see the same standards applied in Cyprus with full implementation of property rights and UN oversight of individual rights within the created province. Some of us would go for that!