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[MR-from-NG]

The question is:WHAT WAS ALWAYS THE ROOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS?

The root is the invasion of Turks in 1571 and that they still do not want to allow Cypriots to rule their island by themselves. They think Cyprus is still part of their empire

WRONG!
And stop calling the TCs Tuks. Man you are always provoking.
Have we been angels to them? Have you witnessed the fanatism and hate of the Eokas and the Tmts in the 60s?
Can you acknowledge your own community's part of the blame?

And another thing to make your brain spin a little:have you noticed that the Tcs in this forum are almost the same in number like the GCs? This is an ENGLISH speaking forum man. What does this tell you about the number of people an 18% community exported OUT of Cyprus in ENGLISH speaking countries, compared with how many the 82% community exported?

Very well said Pyrp. Angels none of us can claim to be. Lets all at least try for damage limitation.
Very valid point on numbers exported Pyrp and of course mathematically supported.

[phoenix]

The question is:WHAT WAS ALWAYS THE ROOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS?

The root is the invasion of Turks in 1571 and that they still do not want to allow Cypriots to rule their island by themselves. They think Cyprus is still part of their empire

WRONG!
And stop calling the TCs Tuks. Man you are always provoking.
Have we been angels to them? Have you witnessed the fanatism and hate of the Eokas and the Tmts in the 60s?
Can you acknowledge your own community's part of the blame?

And another thing to make your brain spin a little:have you noticed that the Tcs in this forum are almost the same in number like the GCs? This is an ENGLISH speaking forum man. What does this tell you about the number of people an 18% community exported OUT of Cyprus in ENGLISH speaking countries, compared with how many the 82% community exported?

Maybe it's because the GCs are disparate compared to the sheep-like thinking TCs that stick together with one idea!

What a stupid answer. the Gcs are 82% man this means 4+ times more than the Tcs if the reason iwas because they were disparate then we should have had 16 times more GCs in this forum not an approx equal number!

Think about it first Pyrpolizer without jumping on the bandwagon to criticize me like all the other sheep!

[Pyrpolizer]

Mrfromng,

So if there is no problem on individual basis between the Gcs+TCs, then how on individual basis the Gcs consider you sub-humans? I think there is a basic contradiction in what you said, to start with.

Lets start from the things we agree: That on individual basis there are no problems between GCs&TCs as long as they are all law abiding citizens. Now take all those GC people and all those TC people who have absolutely no problem with each other, join them together and call them GC and Tc community respectively. It is true over some periods of our history those 2 communities had problems.
The question is:WHAT WAS ALWAYS THE ROOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS?

Come on Pyrp, please no word games. How can one sit at a lunch date and think of his/her companion as sub-human. I seriously am concerned that the majority of the GC community do in fact think of us as sub-human. My mind keeps going back to the day of the referendum and the images on every news channel with kids of 7 to the elderly of 70 all saying "we don't like Turks, we don't want to live with them". Man that was painful.

Another perfect example of our differences, you think we are the root of the problem. We think the exact same thing about you. Clear indication that we are dooooooomed. F***ED

Mrfromng it seems Eric has attracted a lot of fanatics in here, that blur every logical response. I can understand you are a bit out of temper....

I ABSOLUTELY did not mean YOU are the root of the problem. I was just trying to drag you in a dialectic sort of discussion for both of us to spot the root of the problem.
Anyway let me say it first. The root of the problem was always a few fanatics among the communities.

Btw I live here my friend and I swear I have not seen any kids or elderly anywhere during the referendum saying we don't like Turks. You have been watching FABRICATED news. The "fight" during the referendum was either for the YES or NO, and it was mostly public debates on TVs.

[miltiades]

Phoenix is a misguided , rather arrogant young man , but one thing he is not is NOT representative of the majority of Greek Cypriots any more than Eric daye is of the T/Cs.
Pyrpolizer wrote an excellent response in saying "WRONG!
And stop calling the TCs Tuks. Man you are always provoking.
Have we been angels to them? Have you witnessed the fanatism and hate of the Eokas and the Tmts in the 60s?
Can you acknowledge your own community's part of the blame? """
And of course we all know how corrupting certain well known perceptions of the T/Cs were by those in influential positions , name calling and derogating descriptive insults . I'm pleased that I have met so many who totaly refute such insulting racist insults . I said long ago that any insults directed towards the T/Cs
are also indirectly affecting the G/Cs , furthermore I would find such insults directed against so many of my friends grossly offensive.

[phoenix]

Phoenix is a misguided , rather arrogant young man , but one thing he is not is NOT representative of the majority of Greek Cypriots any more than Eric daye is of the T/Cs.
Pyrpolizer wrote an excellent response in saying "WRONG!
And stop calling the TCs Tuks. Man you are always provoking.
Have we been angels to them? Have you witnessed the fanatism and hate of the Eokas and the Tmts in the 60s?
Can you acknowledge your own community's part of the blame? """
And of course we all know how corrupting certain well known perceptions of the T/Cs were by those in influential positions , name calling and derogating descriptive insults . I'm pleased that I have met so many who totaly refute such insulting racist insults . I said long ago that any insults directed towards the T/Cs
are also indirectly affecting the G/Cs , furthermore I would find such insults directed against so many of my friends grossly offensive.

No I am not representative of the GCs because they all have their own agendas and I have mine. You are also unique in your own way. The only common unity I see is amongst the Turks. They have things just the way they want them. . . so they are smug and arrogant, not I.

I'm still fumbling around for solutions.

And wake up Miltiades . . with your stereotypes . . I am a female and that is precisely why I am getting so much animosity because I do think slightly differently to the average Cypriot male.

I hope in the long run it proves to be my strong point.

STOP STEREOTYPING.

[MR-from-NG]

Mrfromng,

So if there is no problem on individual basis between the Gcs+TCs, then how on individual basis the Gcs consider you sub-humans? I think there is a basic contradiction in what you said, to start with.

Lets start from the things we agree: That on individual basis there are no problems between GCs&TCs as long as they are all law abiding citizens. Now take all those GC people and all those TC people who have absolutely no problem with each other, join them together and call them GC and Tc community respectively. It is true over some periods of our history those 2 communities had problems.
The question is:WHAT WAS ALWAYS THE ROOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS?

Come on Pyrp, please no word games. How can one sit at a lunch date and think of his/her companion as sub-human. I seriously am concerned that the majority of the GC community do in fact think of us as sub-human. My mind keeps going back to the day of the referendum and the images on every news channel with kids of 7 to the elderly of 70 all saying "we don't like Turks, we don't want to live with them". Man that was painful.

Another perfect example of our differences, you think we are the root of the problem. We think the exact same thing about you. Clear indication that we are dooooooomed. F***ED

Mrfromng it seems Eric has attracted a lot of fanatics in here, that blur every logical response. I can understand you are a bit out of temper....

I ABSOLUTELY did not mean YOU are the root of the problem. I was just trying to drag you in a dialectic sort of discussion for both of us to spot the root of the problem.
Anyway let me say it first. The root of the problem was always a few fanatics among the communities.

Btw I live here my friend and I swear I have not seen any kids or elderly anywhere during the referendum saying we don't like Turks. You have been watching FABRICATED news. The "fight" during the referendum was either for the YES or NO, and it was mostly public debates on TVs.

Pyrp, no word of a lie. I was in Cyprus a week before the referendum, my cousins and friends were so excited with the prospect of a unified island, they were ecstatic. In all honesty I never shared their enthusiasm as I truly believed it would be resounding NO from the GCs. My assumption was not based on what I had read about the Annan plan, it was purely a gut feeling.

On my return to the UK all I ever did was to call friends and relatives for updates on the upcoming referendum as well as watching every news channel and anything I could find on line.

On the day of the referendum I was channel surfing like a man possessed. BBC, ITV, Ch4, Five Sky, CNN, Euronews the list can go on and on. I swear it brought tears to my eyes seeing kids and elderly GCs rejecting the idea of sharing Cyprus with TCs.

I wish I could find the footage on the archives of these channels and put it on You-Tube for you to see. It was heartbreaking, rejection is a terrible feeling at the best of times but to hear kids with heir broken English telling the whole world they do not like TCs and don't want them was painful.

Perhaps others(GC & TC) that watched these news channels can verify this.

[Sotos]

Bir and Kikapu are Turkish Cypriots. Eric Dayi and mrfromng are TURKS because they believe in the "Turkish republic of northern Cyprus" which as the name says it is TURKISH and not Cypriot and they do not accept the Republic of CYPRUS like all the CYPRIOTS do.

[phoenix]

Bir and Kikapu are Turkish Cypriots. Eric Dayi and mrfromng are TURKS because they believe in the "Turkish republic of northern Cyprus" which as the name says it is TURKISH and not Cypriot and they do not accept the Republic of CYPRUS like all the CYPRIOTS do.

Well done Sotos . . . succinctly put!

[MR-from-NG]

Mrfromng,

So if there is no problem on individual basis between the Gcs+TCs, then how on individual basis the Gcs consider you sub-humans? I think there is a basic contradiction in what you said, to start with.

Lets start from the things we agree: That on individual basis there are no problems between GCs&TCs as long as they are all law abiding citizens. Now take all those GC people and all those TC people who have absolutely no problem with each other, join them together and call them GC and Tc community respectively. It is true over some periods of our history those 2 communities had problems.
The question is:WHAT WAS ALWAYS THE ROOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS?

Come on Pyrp, please no word games. How can one sit at a lunch date and think of his/her companion as sub-human. I seriously am concerned that the majority of the GC community do in fact think of us as sub-human. My mind keeps going back to the day of the referendum and the images on every news channel with kids of 7 to the elderly of 70 all saying "we don't like Turks, we don't want to live with them". Man that was painful.

Another perfect example of our differences, you think we are the root of the problem. We think the exact same thing about you. Clear indication that we are dooooooomed. F***ED

Mrfromng it seems Eric has attracted a lot of fanatics in here, that blur every logical response. I can understand you are a bit out of temper....

I ABSOLUTELY did not mean YOU are the root of the problem. I was just trying to drag you in a dialectic sort of discussion for both of us to spot the root of the problem.
Anyway let me say it first. The root of the problem was always a few fanatics among the communities.
Btw I live here my friend and I swear I have not seen any kids or elderly anywhere during the referendum saying we don't like Turks. You have been watching FABRICATED news. The "fight" during the referendum was either for the YES or NO, and it was mostly public debates on TVs.

For the sake of reconciliation if I said the root of the problem was indeed minority of fanatics on both sides but there were perhaps a few too many fanatics on your side, would this be acceptable by you? Or would you want a 50-50 share of the blame?

[Pyrpolizer]

But was it one week before the referendum??? The NO vote started from while they were having talks at Lucerne and Burgenstock. 31 March we had the anan plan 1st of April there was a NO everywhere. It was not rejection living with Tcs my friend. The vast majority voted no because the plan was bad for the Gcs in every aspect you can imagine, properties, return of refugees, power sharing, security, almost all settlers staying, guarantees for implementation, human rights, "disguised partition", economically we would get bankrupt etc etc. Living together with the Tcs was perhaps the last thing anyone worried about.